A new and brutal wave of insurgency looms in the deep South

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

They can't store what they don't have access to.

 

True, and the particular vpn yoh linked to does still appear to be secure, however most work with the police, you may have noticed the miliard of computer crime cases where a vpn did nothing to stop the police seeing their history, its a daily occurance in the UK.

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, rott said:

Well they do not seem bothered to do much about it, and it is unlikely that security amongst those murderers is so tight that "nobody knows nuffin".

 

Have the muslim community turned in or informed on many of these murderers? Or are they by their silence aiding, abetting and colluding?

 

Yes I am thinking, are you?

 

Stop blindly speculating about that which you know nothing. 

 

Youre not thinking, youre dreaming.

[JimmyJ]

12 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

True, and the particular vpn yoh linked to does still appear to be secure, however most work with the police, you may have noticed the miliard of computer crime cases where a vpn did nothing to stop the police seeing their history, its a daily occurance in the UK.

I linked to a great privacy tools website, not a specific VPN.

 

But the site lists VPNs which respect privacy and are not part of the "Eyes" groups (explained in their article) and don't log data, so even if they get a police order they have nothing usable to turn over.

[Kieran00001]

55 minutes ago, rott said:

Well let me simplify it for you and the other one.

 

Do the majority of muslims in the south approve of the murders and atrocities that are committed by muslims.

 

And I actually believe it is possible to supply information privately without publicity. Or are you of the opinion that the killers would have jury trials that would be covered by media circus?

 

It is not possible to make an annonymous report in Thailand, thats the law, regardles of what you "actually believe".

 

I dont know what the majority of muslims in the South support, however if you recall you were telling us that they support terrorism, so its sctually down to you to support your clsim rather than others to disprove it. 

 

In my opinion, the bombings could not have high support, you only have to consider that 60% of the victims have been Muslims, most killed by the insugents themselves, to see that it is unlikely they will be all popular.  

[Puchaiyank]

2 hours ago, Benroon said:

How many do you know ?

 

I don't see mass law breaking on a daily basis by a huge majority of the population, do you ?

 

Which immigration laws are being broken by the way ? 

 

I firmly believe in assimilation, or integration which is probably what you mean - however its indefinable.  Again I ask you - at what point is assimilation achieved ? Define it for me - when not a single immigrant commits a crime presumably according to your answer ? How does that fit with the millions of crimes committed by the indigenous population ? Is that ok ?

 

Can you see the mess you're getting into ?

No, I see the mess you are trying to create....

 

[Puchaiyank]

Here you go...for all you muslim terrorists apologists...

 

Four policemen and a female civilian were injured on Friday morning when a bomb hidden in a roadside bicycle exploded just 300 metres from the Na Pradu Police Station in Pattani's Khok Pho district.

 

What more needs to be said?   ????????

[rott]

2 hours ago, Benroon said:

I don't have that information as I don't work in intelligence or policing  - do you ? If so excellent give us all the low down of your informed opinions - until you do we'll just file it under C for crap.

 

But to answer your question more directly, where in your bigoted little world would an informer give the police the information they need to stop an atrocity and then have the police publicise their details all over the place ? How much more information would they then get out of that informer if that happened ? Seriously think (yep we've established that's hard) about what you're saying!

 

 

If you do not have the information why are you posing as the big know it all when you actually know very little.

[rott]

43 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

It is not possible to make an annonymous report in Thailand, thats the law, regardles of what you "actually believe".

 

I dont know what the majority of muslims in the South support, however if you recall you were telling us that they support terrorism, so its sctually down to you to support your clsim rather than others to disprove it. 

 

In my opinion, the bombings could not have high support, you only have to consider that 60% of the victims have been Muslims, most killed by the insugents themselves, to see that it is unlikely they will be all popular.  

It is obviously not physically impossible. There is a war on you know and armies and soldiers act on intelligence, whether gained formally or informally.

 

You deny that they support the terrorists but they are doing very little to oppose them.

[Kieran00001]

19 minutes ago, rott said:

It is obviously not physically impossible. There is a war on you know and armies and soldiers act on intelligence, whether gained formally or informally.

 

You deny that they support the terrorists but they are doing very little to oppose them.

 

Arent they, well why dont you tell us all about it then if you know what the people arent doing?  Or shall we just add this to your pile of other blind guesses?

 

Anyway, some potential informants may have been put off by the 20+ assisinations of informants a few years ago.  So much for annonymity.

[Orton Rd]

2 hours ago, lemonjelly said:

Here we go again.... all Muslims are bad from the usual dullards.....very often the same ones that are proud that their country helped defeat the Third Reich who were famous for racial profiling


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Not all Muslims all of Islam, where do you think insurgents, or more accurately, Jihadists get their ideas and motivation from? Here is a clue from the most respected Hadith- 'I was made victorious by terror' Mohammad.

[Oziex1]

And while conflict rages it provides a convenient cover all manner of atrocities. Human trafficking, drug smuggling and who knows what else.

[rabas]

5 hours ago, JimmyJ said:

 

""Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide, is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

 - Edward Snowden

Said the man who destroyed the collective privacy of 300 million free people and gave everything he stole to one of the worlds most heinous spies and destroyers of free speech. 

 

No problem with the quote, just the hypocrite who said it. Carry on.

[ravip]

Efforts to introduce humanitarian principles to separatist combatants

Is this not a discreet method of tying the hands of the legitimate government forces and letting the terrorists have a field day? After all, who is able to take 'responsibility' for the terrorists actions?

Edit

Terrorism should be terminated, ASAP. If not, it becomes a thriving business.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Not all Muslims all of Islam, but not all immams are preaching from the where do you think insurgents, or more accurately, Jihadists get their ideas and motivation from? Here is a clue from the most respected Hadith- 'I was made victorious by terror' Mohammad.

 

Muslim means a follower of islam, it is ludicrous to seperate them.  Your quote, albeit out of context, is favoured by ihadists yes, but not all imams are preaching from the book of war and its practice, his life had other events.  Anyway, why are you bringing this up when talking about the seperatists of the south?  They have far more in common with the IRA than jihadists.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, ravip said:

Efforts to introduce humanitarian principles to separatist combatants

Is this not a discreet method of tying the hands of the legitimate government forces and letting the terrorists have a field day? After all, who is able to take 'responsibility' for the terrorists actions?

Edit

Terrorism should be terminated, ASAP. If not, it becomes a thriving business.

 

Legitimate government = a junta, got it.

[simple1]

22 hours ago, steven100 said:

destroy them and eradicate them as they only believe in one cause ..... to kill as many non believers as they can.

How about backing up your statement the BRN movement is driven by Islamist principals as the OP makes no such claim, actually quite the opposite. There may be some of the younger 'fighters' starting to go down the Islamist path, but over the years mainly use drugs, superstition beliefs etc which doesn't reflect adherence to Islamist doctrine. Most specialists who have studied the conflict concur it is an ethnic nationalist conflict. However, unfortunately there has very rarely been any glimmer of hope, briefly under Yingluck,  for ending the conflict as the Thai military will not permit any form of autonomy. Plus the use of extrajudicial killings by the military only creates never ending tit for tat rounds of killing. The endemic corruption, human tracking and so on by Thai security services in the deep South can't be helping the situation.

 

Another recent article covering the Deep South...

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/attacks-thailand-deep-south-190120233033431.html

 

A prior in-depth analysis by the same author of the OP.

 

https://archive.lowyinstitute.org/sites/default/files/pubfiles/Liow_and_Pathan%2C_Confronting_ghosts_web_1.pdf

[baboon]

23 hours ago, steven100 said:

destroy them and eradicate them as they only believe in one cause ..... to kill as many non believers as they can.

Well they are doing a crap job of it in the south, then. I have sat on loads of trains down there chatting to them and not one of them seemed remotely interested in killing me.

[metisdead]

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[malagateddy]

 
Legitimate government = a junta, got it.

Imo..it does not matter where a terrorist act is committed in the world.
The brutal killing or maiming of innocents is disgraceful.
Political/so called " religious" acts in the " name " of whatever cause is just a sick joke to any person who just wants to get on with their life.


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[Skallywag]

The problem with all religions is that they create human  "followers" of unseen beings and century old myths.  We are human beings - we have free will.  Blind Faith is dangerous.  People who choose myth instead of knowledge will always be dangerous.  Nothing wrong with cultural identity - but religious identity will always cause problems until we refuse to give "religions" any sort of acknowledgement or accomodation for their "practices or beliefs"

[boonrawdcnx]

It has surely never crossed their minds to do anything about the 1% who will kill anybody.

What are you suggesting? Mom and Pap’s are taking up arms after they drop their kids off at school - and go fight extremists?
That is the job of the authorities - but most of all the job of politicians to find a peaceful solution since force obviously does not work. Every attack and counter attack only creates more hatred and resentment on both sides.

Problem in the south is there seems to be no real political wing in the separatist’s camp to talk to - it also seems that nobody is actually in control of the other more primitive, violent wing that carries out the atrocities.


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[rott]

18 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Arent they, well why dont you tell us all about it then if you know what the people arent doing?  Or shall we just add this to your pile of other blind guesses?

 

Anyway, some potential informants may have been put off by the 20+ assisinations of informants a few years ago.  So much for annonymity.

Surely not assassinated by these oppressed, peace-loving freedom fighters who you admire and defend.

[rott]

3 hours ago, boonrawdcnx said:

What are you suggesting? Mom and Pap’s are taking up arms after they drop their kids off at school - and go fight extremists?
That is the job of the authorities - but most of all the job of politicians to find a peaceful solution since force obviously does not work. Every attack and counter attack only creates more hatred and resentment on both sides.

Problem in the south is there seems to be no real political wing in the separatist’s camp to talk to - it also seems that nobody is actually in control of the other more primitive, violent wing that carries out the atrocities.


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Ah yes it is up to "the authorities" who cannot identify those responsible without information from people who know who they are. From the majority.

 

According to you they all condemn the murderers of unarmed women and old men but are completely unable to do anything about it.

 

Difficult to believe so I will repeat what I asked earlier, do these murderers have the backing of their community or not?

[simple1]

20 hours ago, rott said:

Well let me simplify it for you and the other one.

 

Do the majority of muslims in the south approve of the murders and atrocities that are committed by muslims.

 

And I actually believe it is possible to supply information privately without publicity. Or are you of the opinion that the killers would have jury trials that would be covered by media circus?

Muslims informers have been murdered in the deep South, including Imams calling for the path to peace, not violence; do your research. In Australia security forces have praised those in the Muslim community who have assisted with countering terrorist activity, one would reasonably assume such assistance is not unique to Australia. You only have to briefly consider the tens of thousands murdered by Islamists and fanatical partisans, as well as security forces deaths, in their home countries, to know the claim Muslims do not resist Muslim terrorists is nonsense.

 

Below is another analysis, there are many, concerning the deep South you may wish to read...

 

https://d2071andvip0wj.cloudfront.net/291-jihadism-in-southern-thailand-a-phantom-menace_1.pdf

[metisdead]

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[Nsp64]

On 4/12/2019 at 7:04 AM, grego49 said:

Well said,,,

Step forward sir!

At least you're not scared to voice your opinion.

Unlike most.

[boonrawdcnx]

Ah yes it is up to "the authorities" who cannot identify those responsible without information from people who know who they are. From the majority.
 
According to you they all condemn the murderers of unarmed women and old men but are completely unable to do anything about it.
 
Difficult to believe so I will repeat what I asked earlier, do these murderers have the backing of their community or not?

Well first you have to win the hearts and minds of the people - and you surely can’t do that by executing arrested militants and be so stupid to let the press into a mosque pretend to have killed them all in self defense and when a reporter then points out to those idiots in the security forces why they had their hands tied behind their backs and if they tied them up AFTER they murdered them?

And the Tak Bai incident of murdering demonstrators by tying their hands behind their back and then suffocating these young people who died a slow and agonizing death crying out for help - and nobody was ever held accountable.

This incident alone probably created several hundred new militants and even more sympathizers - I am not sure how I would react if some idiot in green would come to my door and says - hey I am sorry we are all a bit stupid but we just killed your children by suffocating them!

Useless corrupt police and armed forces could never protect informants so why would anybody cooperate with authorities even if they do not agree with the militants?


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[tingtongtourist]

I dont think many care about history of who did what in whoevers, and whatever country in history.

get over it.

 

The fact remains, the Thailand South has always been a danger spot and the same old groups causing the same trouble and using the same excuses for their murderous behaviour for many years..

when the rest of Thailand ARE tolerant and really just want to live in peace.

 

Im really suprised the whole Thai military dont just swarm on the whole south and go through them house by house, deporting the bad guys to a country where they are invited to practice their Sharia law or whatever suits their religion.

 

The peace loving world must really have enough of them by now and one must wonder if the real reason for the trouble is this crowd are NOT GIVEN everything FOR FREE, like there cousins in certain European countries.

 

 

 

 

 

[Nsp64]

7 minutes ago, tingtongtourist said:

I dont think many care about history of who did what in whoevers, and whatever country in history.

get over it.

 

The fact remains, the Thailand South has always been a danger spot and the same old groups causing the same trouble and using the same excuses for their murderous behaviour for many years..

when the rest of Thailand ARE tolerant and really just want to live in peace.

 

Im really suprised the whole Thai military dont just swarm on the whole south and go through them house by house, deporting the bad guys to a country where they are invited to practice their Sharia law or whatever suits their religion.

 

The peace loving world must really have enough of them by now and one must wonder if the real reason for the trouble is this crowd are NOT GIVEN everything FOR FREE, like there cousins in certain European countries.

 

 

 

 

 

The thai military is only capable of oppressing it's own people.

They can not control a real combatant force such as those in the south.

 

[tingtongtourist]

6 minutes ago, Nsp64 said:

The thai military is only capable of oppressing it's own people.

They can not control a real combatant force such as those in the south.

 

well i can only say, this "Big Joke" character is like the Thai version of batman and doesnt even need a Robin.

 

they should really test his mettle and send him south to sort it all out!