Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Tagged said:

You must be kidding me? Never heard a selfclaimed athiest say anything close to that! A big bang is just a restart of a new universe most likely from an old collapsed one! I say most likely, since I believe in proven facts not faith or theories. Just common sense! 

 

Which is exactly what I said a few posts back.

Soooooooo, where did the material that formed the old collapsed one come from? Even if we are in the trillionth to the power of a trillion universe, where did the material for the very first universe come from, or are you claiming there has always been a universe constantly being born in a big bang and being consumed in a black hole to restart another universe for ever and ever and ever? Sometime it must have had a beginning, IMO.

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, Tagged said:

And I believe among scientists, the carbon dating is overall accepted. The Sphinx was built for a purpose, and most likely easy to date uppon those times when the pyramids was built.

Accepted because there's not a better alternative, yet you can google and find out by yourself that accurate it's not.

Apparently the Sphinx has traces of marine erosion, there used to be a sea where Sahara is now.

The fact is that science is not settled, and i'm sure that there are many surprising things to be discovered.

[Tagged]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Which is exactly what I said a few posts back.

Soooooooo, where did the material that formed the old collapsed one come from? Even if we are in the trillionth to the power of a trillion universe, where did the material for the very first universe come from, or are you claiming there has always been a universe constantly being born in a big bang and being consumed in a black hole to restart another universe for ever and ever and ever? Sometime it must have had a beginning, IMO.

Read my post, Im not claiming anything!

[Skeptic7]

31 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

According to atheists for no reason at all. According to atheists, all the matter that formed the universe just appeared out of nothing, and evolved into suns, planets etc.

 

If I said to any person that I could make something out of nothing, they'd rightly think I was demented, but atheists think that however many trillions of tons of matter that it took to make the universe just magically appeared, from nowhere, and life just magically started for no apparent reason at all. Life the universe and everything is just a cosmic accident, and the laws of nature that guide everything in life the universe and everything just magically happened, for no reason at all.

Also they believe that after they die, everything they were and did in their life just becomes nothing, as there is no after life. They lived and died and it was all for nothing, apparently.

 

 

Here we go again...

 

The Oracle has spoken! 

[Tagged]

4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Accepted because there's not a better alternative, yet you can google and find out by yourself that accurate it's not.

Apparently the Sphinx has traces of marine erosion, there used to be a sea where Sahara is now.

The fact is that science is not settled, and i'm sure that there are many surprising things to be discovered.

I have read something about the limestone yes, and also the timegap from surten ages, but overall from what they have found In carbondating matches with surten times due to techniqes and purpose. As I say, it is a mysterious world, and maybe you and me one day will be a bit wiser due to new solid information. 

[Tagged]

Right here Right now in this very moment ????????☃️✈️????

[luckyluke]

44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There is no one so foolish as the person that thinks they know everything

Nice one. 

 

I like :

 

"There is no one so foolish as the person that thinks he knows everything better"

[Sunmaster]

Right here, right now. ????

[Sunmaster]

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Nice one. 

 

I like :

 

"There is no one so foolish as the person that thinks he knows everything better"

Another one is the fool that can't accept that there might be others who know more about a certain subject. ????

[luckyluke]

2 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Another one is the fool that can't accept that there might be others who know more about a certain subject. ????

I don't think there are such ones here. 

 

I know you are a master in a certain subject, well at least you claim so, and I have no reason to not believe you, as I don't know nothing about it and no desire to know.

 

There are a lot of subjects I don't know and/or no desire to know. 

 

The most important is that people feel happy in what they do and believe. 

 

Many however have the tendency to absolute try to convince others that what they believe, resent or whatever is the only way to be happy. 

 

I personally don't need those things to feel and be happy, well at least not the last 60 years. 

 

But who knows, it can change. 

 

I must admit that some times their explanation makes me smile. 

 

Bad, I know. 

 

 

 

 

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

I know you are a master in a certain subject, well at least you claim so, and I have no reason to not believe you, as I don't know nothing about it and no desire to know.

Lol, when did I ever claim to be a master of anything? Please tell me. Don't get confused with my forum name, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. It's just a character from a famous sci-fi novel and I liked the sound of it.

I just enjoy talking about these kind of things here, because there are not many people in my circle of friends who like discussing these subjects. Most of them are atheists.

First you say you doubt there are people here who know more about this subject, then you say you know nothing about it. So, you admit there ought to be some people who know a bit more than nothing, no?

You also say you don't have a desire to know....so why are you even here commenting? 

Edited December 30, 2019 by Sunmaster

[luckyluke]

Sunmaster, 

Based on how you express yourself, I thought you were mastering the subject you like to talk about. 

 

And honestly your avatar and picture going with it influenced my opinion. 

 

I am Belgian, Lucky Luke is a well know comic character in my country. Also the picture I added is from René Magritte, known Belgian as well. 

 

As mentioned there are a lot of subjects I don't want to really know, as I don't feel the need of it. 

 

But I like to express my opinion on many subjects, once it begin to be too complicated, thus not for everyone, I usually stop to post frequently, as it actually the case here. 

 

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Based on how you express yourself, I thought you were mastering the subject you like to talk about. 

Far from the truth, unfortunately. If I had mastered the subject, I doubt very much I would still be here talking about it. ????
 

How about my new avatar picture? ???? 

Edited December 30, 2019 by Sunmaster

[T Lee]

If there were a god - despite a total lack of evidence - it would be an extraordinarily strange being with a cosmically vast sense of humor.  

 

The leaky logic some people express - "But someone or something must have created the universe" is a bald faced fallacy.  For centuries, skeptics and thinkers have pointed out to the desperate, groping masses that if everything needs a creator, then where the heck did "the Creator" come from?

 

Another absurdity is a god's lifestyle.  Living forever (if any of us can wrap our heads around that), It would be totally bored to distraction.  When you're infinitely powerful, all of creation can be designed and brought into existence in less than one nano-second, so what's a "supreme being" to do as other pastimes?  And if the same being is all-knowing, what's the point of designing less than perfect humans and then hanging around to see how they all turn out?  And meting out eternal (there's a big word again) tortures as fair dinkum for anyone who ever lied or cheated or stole, etc. and then died before a shaman/priest was able (for a small offering) to make everything right with the big guy?  Sounds more like a mob shakedown than a religious service.

 

 In a way, adopting any religion is in irrational dodge.  Although that gives me an idea to be one step ahead of the missus.  Next time I misplace my car keys, I'll blame it on a superior, invisible being.  And if I pray hard enough and he returns them without too much fuss - like leaving them suddenly on the kitchen table where I thought I left them in the first place - well, that will just prove that there is a Big Guy In The Sky who watches over me.  How comforting!

 

The short summary?  God didn't create man.  Man created gods.

[luckyluke]

Dr. Spock : Science specialist, calm, stoïc, let logic lead his life. 

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Dr. Spock : Science specialist, calm, stoïc, let logic lead his life. 

Yes, and always open to the marvels of the unknown, not rejecting anything beforehand and very conscious of his own limitations to comprehend it. 
Fascinating! ????

Always been my hero ❤️ 

[canuckamuck]

21 minutes ago, T Lee said:

If there were a god - despite a total lack of evidence - it would be an extraordinarily strange being with a cosmically vast sense of humor.  

 

The leaky logic some people express - "But someone or something must have created the universe" is a bald faced fallacy.  For centuries, skeptics and thinkers have pointed out to the desperate, groping masses that if everything needs a creator, then where the heck did "the Creator" come from?

 

Another absurdity is a god's lifestyle.  Living forever (if any of us can wrap our heads around that), It would be totally bored to distraction.  When you're infinitely powerful, all of creation can be designed and brought into existence in less than one nano-second, so what's a "supreme being" to do as other pastimes?  And if the same being is all-knowing, what's the point of designing less than perfect humans and then hanging around to see how they all turn out?  And meting out eternal (there's a big word again) tortures as fair dinkum for anyone who ever lied or cheated or stole, etc. and then died before a shaman/priest was able (for a small offering) to make everything right with the big guy?  Sounds more like a mob shakedown than a religious service.

 

 In a way, adopting any religion is in irrational dodge.  Although that gives me an idea to be one step ahead of the missus.  Next time I misplace my car keys, I'll blame it on a superior, invisible being.  And if I pray hard enough and he returns them without too much fuss - like leaving them suddenly on the kitchen table where I thought I left them in the first place - well, that will just prove that there is a Big Guy In The Sky who watches over me.  How comforting!

 

The short summary?  God didn't create man.  Man created gods.

Sorry we already determined there is a God, many posts back, we are now up to discussing which type of cheese He prefers. Obviously it is Swiss.

Edited December 30, 2019 by canuckamuck

[luckyluke]

8 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

always open to the marvels of the unknown, not rejecting anything beforehand and very conscious of his own limitations to comprehend it. 
 

Didn't know, and didn't find that. 

Thanks. 

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Sorry we already determined there was a god many posts back, we are now up to discussing which type of cheese He prefers. Obviously it is Swiss.

Maybe the cheese, but the rest is certainly divine Italian food. ????

[Sunmaster]

7 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Dr. Spock : Science specialist, calm, stoïc, let logic lead his life. 

Interesting fact: Roddenberry based the character of Spock on the Stoic philosophy, like you pointed out. The founder of this philosophy was Zeno of Citium, who coincidentally, is listed as having been enlightened on the list I posted earlier.
 

[Skeptic7]

@T Leecheck out this book for a hilariously profound look at the god of the bible...

 

Edited December 30, 2019 by Skeptic7

[oldhippy]

4 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Sunmaster, 

Based on how you express yourself, I thought you were mastering the subject you like to talk about. 

 

And honestly your avatar and picture going with it influenced my opinion. 

 

I am Belgian, Lucky Luke is a well know comic character in my country. Also the picture I added is from René Magritte, known Belgian as well. 

 

As mentioned there are a lot of subjects I don't want to really know, as I don't feel the need of it. 

 

But I like to express my opinion on many subjects, once it begin to be too complicated, thus not for everyone, I usually stop to post frequently, as it actually the case here. 

 

Joke for belgians only:

Ceci n'est pas un dieu.

 

 

[Skeptic7]

20 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Joke for belgians only:

Ceci n'est pas un dieu.

 

 

But we can all cheat now and get in on it with Google Translate! ????

[Skeptic7]

Right here, right now 

 

[mauGR1]

7 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

What I want to say is, there's a difference between thoughts about trivial matters and life changing thoughts. It's the intention behind them. The first take you on a rollercoaster ride, you don't control them, they control you.

The second type of thoughts are consciously constructed and focused thought forms.

 

No matter, when you meditate you have to take a step back from both of them.

It seems to me that there are more than 2 types of thoughts.

Thoughts are infinite, like the universe.

[Sunmaster]

10 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

It seems to me that there are more than 2 types of thoughts.

Thoughts are infinite, like the universe.

 

Yes, the subjects of the thoughts may be infinite, but I was talking about the time when you close your eyes and look within and take the role of the witness.

 

At that time you are not intentionally focusing your thoughts on anything (type 1). That would be counterproductive to the task.

 

Nor do you want to get attached to the ones that come up by themselves and jump around like unbridled wild horses. (Type 2)

 

The task is to sit back (internally) and watch them come and go from a distance. 

[mauGR1]

9 hours ago, soalbundy said:

How can you teach that which can't be taught, 'enlightenment' must include the death of 'me' and above all else the ego doesn't want to die. Clarity can be taught or the path to it but not enlightenment. My opinion is that the handful of people throughout history who could be called enlightened were born that way or at least the potential was always there as a genetic mutation of the brain and they usually didn't end well, the German christian theologian and mystic Meister Eckhart in the 1200's only survived being tried for heresy by dying before his trial. Speaking the truth about your religion no matter which one was usually repaid with torture and death.

Spot on regarding the "false ego".

Historically correct too, if you speak the truth you don't make a lot of friends.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Nor do you want to get attached to the ones that come up by themselves and jump around like unbridled wild horses. (Type 2)

I agree with your analysis of the thought.

I just wanted to say that there is more to thoughts.

The metaphor of the horses is great, actually i was having the same vision of the untamable horses, which as one grows older, become "less" untamable.

For example, R.Steiner suggests to divide the thoughts into 3. The physical impression (the body), the sensation/memory (the soul), and what is true and eternal (the spirit).

Just saying ????

[mauGR1]

15 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

jump around like unbridled wild horses. (Type 2)

Btw, as it seems you are not unfamiliar with Italian, Claudio Rocchi wrote a great song about the control of the horses.

 

[yodsak]

On 12/20/2019 at 8:11 PM, AsianAtHeart said:

There are simply too many evidences in our world of the validity of the Bible and the existence of God for anyone to take lightly a decision to reject them.  While there are vastly more than these, the following stand out in my own mind, personally.

Science: Consider the instincts of animals--where do they come from?  How can a bird, for example, weave a nest without its parents ever having taught it.