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13 minutes ago, giddyup said:

I would suggest every army since time began believed it had one god or another on it's side.

Exactly.

One could go on a killing rampage, and claim to have acted in the name of the spaghetti monster.

Would you believe him ?

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1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

Maybe they had,

the god of the winners being more powerful than the god of the defeated. 

What if it's the same god? The Germans and the British both worshipped a Christian god, WW1 and 2.

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The point is that Christians, following the Bible, should not be inclined to kill. However there are exceptions when killing might seem dutiful. Everyone has choices to make from the evidence available.

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Just now, canuckamuck said:

The point is that Christians, following the Bible, should not be inclined to kill. However there are exceptions when killing might seem dutiful. Everyone has choices to make from the evidence available.

Problem is, people get brainwashed with nationalism, and conscientious objectors often get a rough deal, like the Vietnam war, but then those that served got a rough deal when they returned. Go figure.

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19 minutes ago, giddyup said:

What if it's the same god? The Germans and the British both worshipped a Christian god, WW1 and 2.

 Yes but because the other side was wrong,god was on the side of the one who thought that was right.

Unfortunately they were both wrong and god was and is on the side of the Americans. LOL

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19 minutes ago, giddyup said:

What if it's the same god? The Germans and the British both worshipped a Christian god, WW1 and 2.

God moves in mysterious ways.

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13 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

The point is that Christians, following the Bible, should not be inclined to kill. However there are exceptions when killing might seem dutiful. Everyone has choices to make from the evidence available.

So why do we still have the old bible? God is all in for a good genocide! No reason to hold back and wipe out your enemy if they ar not of the clean people? 
 

How do you think the Jews can comtinue steal land and kill people in their fully right and acceptance of their own and god maighty Usa?

 

go figure

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48 minutes ago, Tagged said:

So why do we still have the old bible? God is all in for a good genocide! No reason to hold back and wipe out your enemy if they ar not of the clean people? 
 

How do you think the Jews can comtinue steal land and kill people in their fully right and acceptance of their own and god maighty Usa?

 

go figure

That is a lot of territory to discuss. God did remove people from their land in various nasty ways. Fire from the sky, flood, Invading armies. He did always give some fair warming in advance though.

 

Currently the Jews are quite divided about what they should be doing. Perhaps if they remembered their roots they would find some better leaders.

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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Those people are not actually religious. They are just monsters that want to control others and get wealthy by exploiting the religious.

No real Christian would kill anyone else, except in war or self defence, and certainly not indulge in cruelty.

The Christ said that the poor are always with us, but I wonder if he mentioned the monsters in human form and it got edited out from the Bible by the monsters.

555 Christians murder, rape and pillage every single day...no different than any other superstitious group. Christianity has a history of violence and murdering those whom disagree. 

 

"The most famous estimate is 56 million deaths, but a more critical examination would put Christianity's death toll at 9.064 to 28.734 million." 

 

Hardly none, but of course your argument will be The No True Scotsman Fallacy. 🙄

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3 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

555 Christians murder, rape and pillage every single day...no different than any other superstitious group. Christianity has a history of violence and murdering those whom disagree. 

 

"The most famous estimate is 56 million deaths, but a more critical examination would put Christianity's death toll at 9.064 to 28.734 million." 

 

Hardly none, but of course your argument will be The No True Scotsman Fallacy. 🙄

But they where not truly christians, even the popes who killed witches. Killing in Name of god, jesus or maria, doesnt ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

never mind, the true colours of people will always shine trough, no matter what they hiding behind. 
 

The worst people is, «The bible say ,,,,,,,» as a proof of the rightness in a discussion. No thinking or eleborating their arguments, just refer to the scripts on auto reply! 

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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No real Christian would kill anyone else, except in war or self defence, and certainly not indulge in cruelty.

This is a fundamental point about Christianity that needs clarifying. It's a normal human, or animal, reaction to defend oneself when attacked, but is it a true Christian reaction?

 

The 6th (or sometimes the 5th) of the Ten Commandments states, 'You shall not murder'.
Murder is a premeditated action to kill, for whatever reason. If the 5th or 6th Commandment stated, 'You shall not kill', then all Christians would have to be like Mahatma Gandhi or Buddha.

 

War maneuvers and procedures are usually premeditated, with the intention of killing one's enemy. Is this effectively 'murder'?

 

I'm not an expert on the Biblical texts. Is there any passage in the New Testament which clarifies this issue, and perhaps states in some way that it is okay to kill one's enemies to protect one's own life?

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40 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

'I'm not an expert on the Biblical texts. Is there any passage in the New Testament which clarifies this issue, and perhaps states in some way that it is okay to kill one's enemies to protect one's own life?

I'm afraid it's a grey area.

I read a story about a Buddha's previous life, where he killed the captain of a boat after discovering that he (the captain) intended to kill all the passengers.

It's about choosing the lesser evil, imho.

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One of the biggest issues with American politics right now is the Christian culture that pervades. It's made patently obvious by the vaping news of late... with edited/fake news and misinformation leading the charge.

Sounds like a Christian Army going to war... forget the facts, and I got a personal attack after answering one question on Quora. Turns out the writer is a Christian who belives that anything bad for your body is evil and to be avoided.

His point being that giving up smoking and taking up vaping is simply replacing evil with evil (albeit at least 95% less evil - or maybe you could say it's less evil enough that you could actually use it as a better replacement... after all, Christians DO drive cars and they are certainly not GOOD for the environment or health...).

 

I just hate Christians - and had enough experience to be fully bigoted without any worries about upsetting anyone subscribing to the religion. Any Christian who is fed to the lions goes straight to heaven, right? So let's do them all a favour.

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1 hour ago, VincentRJ said:

The 6th (or sometimes the 5th) of the Ten Commandments states, 'You shall not murder'.

 As far as I know you guys are not Biblians you are Christians , So never mind what the bible said, What did  Christ say?

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