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3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

God moves in mysterious ways.

So do my bowels

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13 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

The point is that Christians, following the Bible, should not be inclined to kill. However there are exceptions when killing might seem dutiful. Everyone has choices to make from the evidence available.

So why do we still have the old bible? God is all in for a good genocide! No reason to hold back and wipe out your enemy if they ar not of the clean people? 
 

How do you think the Jews can comtinue steal land and kill people in their fully right and acceptance of their own and god maighty Usa?

 

go figure

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48 minutes ago, Tagged said:

So why do we still have the old bible? God is all in for a good genocide! No reason to hold back and wipe out your enemy if they ar not of the clean people? 
 

How do you think the Jews can comtinue steal land and kill people in their fully right and acceptance of their own and god maighty Usa?

 

go figure

That is a lot of territory to discuss. God did remove people from their land in various nasty ways. Fire from the sky, flood, Invading armies. He did always give some fair warming in advance though.

 

Currently the Jews are quite divided about what they should be doing. Perhaps if they remembered their roots they would find some better leaders.

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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Those people are not actually religious. They are just monsters that want to control others and get wealthy by exploiting the religious.

No real Christian would kill anyone else, except in war or self defence, and certainly not indulge in cruelty.

The Christ said that the poor are always with us, but I wonder if he mentioned the monsters in human form and it got edited out from the Bible by the monsters.

555 Christians murder, rape and pillage every single day...no different than any other superstitious group. Christianity has a history of violence and murdering those whom disagree. 

 

"The most famous estimate is 56 million deaths, but a more critical examination would put Christianity's death toll at 9.064 to 28.734 million." 

 

Hardly none, but of course your argument will be The No True Scotsman Fallacy. 🙄

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3 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

555 Christians murder, rape and pillage every single day...no different than any other superstitious group. Christianity has a history of violence and murdering those whom disagree. 

 

"The most famous estimate is 56 million deaths, but a more critical examination would put Christianity's death toll at 9.064 to 28.734 million." 

 

Hardly none, but of course your argument will be The No True Scotsman Fallacy. 🙄

But they where not truly christians, even the popes who killed witches. Killing in Name of god, jesus or maria, doesnt ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

never mind, the true colours of people will always shine trough, no matter what they hiding behind. 
 

The worst people is, «The bible say ,,,,,,,» as a proof of the rightness in a discussion. No thinking or eleborating their arguments, just refer to the scripts on auto reply! 

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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No real Christian would kill anyone else, except in war or self defence, and certainly not indulge in cruelty.

This is a fundamental point about Christianity that needs clarifying. It's a normal human, or animal, reaction to defend oneself when attacked, but is it a true Christian reaction?

 

The 6th (or sometimes the 5th) of the Ten Commandments states, 'You shall not murder'.
Murder is a premeditated action to kill, for whatever reason. If the 5th or 6th Commandment stated, 'You shall not kill', then all Christians would have to be like Mahatma Gandhi or Buddha.

 

War maneuvers and procedures are usually premeditated, with the intention of killing one's enemy. Is this effectively 'murder'?

 

I'm not an expert on the Biblical texts. Is there any passage in the New Testament which clarifies this issue, and perhaps states in some way that it is okay to kill one's enemies to protect one's own life?

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40 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

'I'm not an expert on the Biblical texts. Is there any passage in the New Testament which clarifies this issue, and perhaps states in some way that it is okay to kill one's enemies to protect one's own life?

I'm afraid it's a grey area.

I read a story about a Buddha's previous life, where he killed the captain of a boat after discovering that he (the captain) intended to kill all the passengers.

It's about choosing the lesser evil, imho.

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One of the biggest issues with American politics right now is the Christian culture that pervades. It's made patently obvious by the vaping news of late... with edited/fake news and misinformation leading the charge.

Sounds like a Christian Army going to war... forget the facts, and I got a personal attack after answering one question on Quora. Turns out the writer is a Christian who belives that anything bad for your body is evil and to be avoided.

His point being that giving up smoking and taking up vaping is simply replacing evil with evil (albeit at least 95% less evil - or maybe you could say it's less evil enough that you could actually use it as a better replacement... after all, Christians DO drive cars and they are certainly not GOOD for the environment or health...).

 

I just hate Christians - and had enough experience to be fully bigoted without any worries about upsetting anyone subscribing to the religion. Any Christian who is fed to the lions goes straight to heaven, right? So let's do them all a favour.

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1 hour ago, VincentRJ said:

The 6th (or sometimes the 5th) of the Ten Commandments states, 'You shall not murder'.

 As far as I know you guys are not Biblians you are Christians , So never mind what the bible said, What did  Christ say?

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5 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 What did  Christ say?

Who really know? 

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24 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Who really know? 

Yes indeed,

There are alternative Jesus accounts that tell a different story.

In one alternative account  Jesus , following the biblical teachings of self defence, made a shiv and stubbed his roman guard in the eye then captured two woodchucks, tied their tails together , used them as  nunchucks  and escaped.

They said he lived the rest of his life as a buddhist monk caring for the poor,injured Woodchucks. who suffered lifelong emotional trauma from the Nunchuck incident.

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6 hours ago, giddyup said:

What about an unjustified war as started by GW Bush,is it OK to kill people then? BTW, the ten commandments say "Thou shall not kill" it doesn't mention any exceptions.

What does anything GW Bush, did or didn't do have to do with believing in God? 

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Seems a weird topic to me . I allways remember the Girl in the Gold Shop buying a Cross Necklace..“ No not that one , have You got one with the Little Bloke on It ?.”[emoji85]


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14 hours ago, giddyup said:

Sorry, did we get away from the subject of your endless quotes from the bible? Tough.

The last time I checked, this topic was about "do you believe in God and why."  While you are pondering that, maybe you could spend a few moments thinking about the Bible and how it pertains to this topic. 

 

The Bible is great literature and the all-time number-one best-seller. It contains history, entertaining stories, poetry, philosophy, and personal letters. But, more than that, the Bible is God’s Word. If we have to speak of a single purpose of the Bible, it would be to reveal God to us. There are many things that we could never know about God unless He told them to us. The Bible is God’s self-revelation to humanity. The Bible also tells us who we are. It tells us of our sin and of God’s plan of salvation in Jesus Christ.

Second Timothy 3:15–17 may be one of the most comprehensive purpose statements found in the Bible. The apostle Paul writes to his young assistant Timothy, “From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” Some of the Bible is spoken directly by God Himself, and other parts are spoken by men whom He guided—but all of it is His Word, and all of it is beneficial and authoritative. Scripture shows us the way of salvation. Furthermore, it will teach us, rebuke us when we are wrong, and train us how to do right so that we may be ready to do God’s work.

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