Do you believe in God and why

[Skeptic7]

16 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Insulting God is not going to do you any good.

Nor any bad.

 

And why is his stating a truth considered an insult? ????

[Sunmaster]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

How convenient God makes everything good, all bad are done by the other guy, God sound like trump to me. 

Which other guy?

 

If you refer to humans who live in perennial darkness, then yes...ignorance about your true being is the source of all the bad things in this world. 

Natural disasters, diseases and cosmic cataclysm are neither good or bad. They just are.

Humans can make a choice between right and wrong. Too often they choose the selfish, shortsighted choice unfortunately. But whose fault is that?

[sirineou]

52 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Insulting God is not going to do you any good.

I am shaking in my boots LOL

[sirineou]

7 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Natural disasters, diseases and cosmic cataclysm are neither good or bad. They just are.

So is everything else. 

[mauGR1]

9 minutes ago, sirineou said:

So is everything else. 

Yes, all is God ????

[Skeptic7]

9 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I am shaking in my boots LOL

Me too! ????

 

[sirineou]

23 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Yes, all is God ????

or not.

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

or not.

The non-existence of the relative is evidence of the existence of the Absolute.

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

The non-existence of the relative is evidence of the existence of the Absolute.

Just because something can not be proven to exist it does not mean that it does. examples abound. 

[sirineou]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

[mauGR1]

Just now, sirineou said:

Just because something can not be proven to exist it does not mean that it does. examples abound. 

Hey, we are talking about the Absolute.

If you cannot see the wonderful arabesques which pervade everything from the thin air and the thinner light, down to sister water and mother earth is no one fault.

 

I can understand your complains about the wickedness of the human society, but as the great philosopher Voltaire used to say : "We live in the best possible world".

Or, the world is a mess, but let's tend our garden ????

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, sirineou said:

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

As a vegetarian, i am content to see them flying around.

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Hey, we are talking about the Absolute.

If you cannot see the wonderful arabesques which pervade everything from the thin air and the thinner light, down to sister water and mother earth is no one fault.

 

I can understand your complains about the wickedness of the human society, but as the great philosopher Voltaire used to say : "We live in the best possible world".

Or, the world is a mess, but let's tend our garden ????

if everything is god, then I guess god is everything. .

I concede that everything exists,Then I guess all that we have to argue is the nature of everything

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

if everything is god, then I guess god is everything. .

I concede that everything exists,Then I guess all that we have to argue is the nature of everything

Yes, that sounds good to me.

We can argue for the pleasure of it, yet no one can deny that "It is what it is" ????

[cliveshep]

I saw this thread by accident and was intrigued that is had gone to 407 pages. Just glance at some of the replies and as expected nay-sayers are in a majority.

 

I am a Christian, born-again variety if you need a label. We live by answered prayers and God's provision. No other way to look at it.

 

The Bible says "the just shall live by faith", thank God it doesn't promise that the righteous live by faith because our righteousness before God is imputed by the work of Jesus Christ - certainly nothing to do with me! But we find we HAVE to pray about everything, getting the car fixed, finding the money to insure it, service it, pay the Government tax etc on it, running our little lorry, we have to trust God it won't break down every time we take it out - and it doesn't. Good, because both it and the car are 15 years old.

 

For our health - it seems I went to the doctor's almost every week, arthritis, asthma, hypertension, here all those things have to be prayed away because we got no money for Health Care but I just don't have the problems I used to have. My blood pressure monitor shows an extremely healthy BP suitable for a 30 year old not a 74 year old. Arthritis hurts my knees sometimes and I get stiff in the mornings, but my wife and I have just built a 2-room extension on our house - all DIY and NO professional help.

 

I have a lovely wife, very much younger than me, we lived in the UK first where we married, and because of the then Home Secretary and later PM Theresa May were virtually forced to leave the country if we wished to stay a family. Leaving was the best thing we have ever done! We have a nice home although we are far from wealthy, in fact most of you would be shocked as to how little we actually have to live on and what we do with a goodly proportion of our income. 

 

So we have to trust God to make our money stretch so we can pay for food for us and our house full of 4 big dogs - 3 of which are Thai rescue dogs and one my wife's English cocker we brought with us.

 

I give thanks to God for everything, all answered prayers, I pray about the jobs I have to do around the house especially when I am not sure I can accomplish what needs to be done or can afford what is needed. Somehow all is always done and we are never short of food - any of us. 

 

So we believe in a loving God and our Saviour Jesus Christ without whom we would NOT be forgiven our breaking of God's laws and thus would be unacceptable. Instead, we are forgiven and acceptable and our trust proves not to be misplaced.

 

That is our personal life with God, we don't go to Church, the nearest one is too far away, we used to go on the motorbike but the heat and dust made it a real pain and I never understood a word they were saying. We tried smaller churches with English translations but found we could not fit in and were not really accepted into the fellowship plus they were even further away. So we followed scripture, shook the dust off our feet and came out from them. Since then we seem to have prospered!

 

Now others may mock, go for it, we don't care, there were scoffers around the cross of Jesus too who rejected Him. He never chased those who rejected Him, but He saved those who came to Him.  I'll talk about my faith to any who want to genuinely listen and want, but I'm not going to stuff it down anyone's throat. If they reject then their blood is upon their own head. But for us, it works just fine, things just fall into place somehow. In the Bible it says "draw near to God and He will draw near to you". It also says "if you seek me, you will find me, if you seek me with all your heart" and it is true. You can google the quotes if you are interested.

 

All I can say is we got a loving Heavenly Father, life is not problem free, and we were NEVER promised that, "in the world you will have tribulation, but cheer up, I have overcome the world" says Jesus, but it's nice to know we are not alone.

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

As a vegetarian, i am content to see them flying around.

F course, because you ate the bush LOL

[Sunmaster]

9 hours ago, cliveshep said:

I saw this thread by accident and was intrigued that is had gone to 407 pages. Just glance at some of the replies and as expected nay-sayers are in a majority.

 

I am a Christian, born-again variety if you need a label. We live by answered prayers and God's provision. No other way to look at it.

 

[...]

Thank you for this personal story. 
I found that a personal relationship with God is important in my practice. Doesn't always have to be a prayer in the traditional sense, but can often be a simple conversation like you have with a friend. 

 

I think it is often so that the ego has such a strong foothold on us, that it can't allow there to be anything or anyone higher/bigger than ourselves. The ego considers itself to be the highest, the pinnacle of evolution, and rejects any notion of a Higher Being. 
Identification with the ego (= ignorance of our true being) is what creates all the problems in the world. It follows this distortion of the truth, promoting selfishness and indifference towards the sufferings of our world.

[ThaiBunny]

4 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

can often be a simple conversation like you have with a friend. 

Just like some forms of psychopathology then - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_friend

[Sunmaster]

Just now, ThaiBunny said:

Just like some forms of psychopathology then - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_friend

No, not like that at all.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/13/2020 at 2:39 PM, UbonThani said:

People need facts. That's all they want.

 

Show us a photo of god

Prove Jesus was his son

Prove he was reborn

 

If people cannot supply basic facts why would any logical person join some cult?

 

Nobody buys a car without seeing it exists and it has papers.

 

Why would they buy religion?

 

Based on a fictional book?

 

Nobody buys a car based on a novel that the car might exist.

You obviously haven't read any of the previous 400 pages as you are repeating same old <deleted> been spouted many, many times before. 

Till you have something new to add to the debate I certainly won't be responding to your posts.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, sirineou said:

if everything is god, then I guess god is everything. .

I concede that everything exists,Then I guess all that we have to argue is the nature of everything

Everything at its most basic is just energy. Some choose to believe that that energy came from the creator, while others claim it just happened, all by itself, out of nothing.

I know what seems more logical, but you should feel free to believe that all the energy in the universe is just magic.

[Skeptic7]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Everything at its most basic is just energy. Some choose to believe that that energy came from the creator, while others claim it just happened, all by itself, out of nothing.

I know what seems more logical, but you should feel free to believe that all the energy in the universe is just magic.

One can go with myriad natural processes of which are nearly unlimited in the Universe...or one can choose to believe like you, that some magic THING did it all using magic, which BTW you just dissed and dismissed. Can't have it both ways, tho we well know you think you can. ????

[ravip]

Ok. Ok. Let's stop the arguments and start praying to God to help humanity to solve this Coronavirus thingy ASAP. After all, HE should have a solution up his sleeve?

Let's join hands, bow our heads and start praying.

[rvaviator]

Make sure to wash your hands first ....

[mauGR1]

10 minutes ago, ravip said:

After all, HE should have a solution up his sleeve?

Hope not yet, some prophet said: "Total destruction, the only solution". ????

[sirineou]

3 hours ago, ravip said:

Ok. Ok. Let's stop the arguments and start praying to God to help humanity to solve this Coronavirus thingy ASAP. After all, HE should have a solution up his sleeve?

Let's join hands, bow our heads and start praying.

God is like the mafia, first he sends as a virus, then he wants payment to make it go away. 

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Everything at its most basic is just energy. Some choose to believe that that energy came from the creator, while others claim it just happened, all by itself, out of nothing.

I know what seems more logical, but you should feel free to believe that all the energy in the universe is just magic.

I have no problem believing that it all came from somewhere. I don't think there is no one in the world that does not. Atheist or not.I am also sure that somewhere came from somewhere ,and so on and so forth.

   I have a problem with an old guy, creating as in his own image, watching us all the time,  meddling in our affairs. and having a special relationship with with a group of people whom he gives instruction on how we should all behave, and entrusts these people with the responsibility to instruct as in his ways under threat of severe punishment.

I don't know.... call me a doubting Thomas, but i suspect they might be full of .............

[Sunmaster]

Just now, sirineou said:

I have no problem believing that it all came from somewhere. I don't think there is no one in the world that does not. Atheist or not.I am also sure that somewhere came from somewhere ,and so on and so forth.

   I have a problem with an old guy, creating as in his own image, watching us all the time,  meddling in our affairs. and having a special relationship with with a group of people whom he gives instruction on how we should all behave, and entrusts these people with the responsibility to instruct as in his ways under threat of severe punishment.

I don't know.... call me a doubting Thomas, but i suspect they might be full of .............

Wow....400pages and still this...talking about an old guy in the sky...only you and the bible basher picture God like this

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Wow....400pages and still this...talking about an old guy in the sky...only you and the bible basher picture God like this

Isnt, this what this Thread is all about?  

What else is there to talk about? Where it all came from?  That we should pray to whatever is between to entangled particles. 

    Didn't someone on your side just said that we should PRAY  for him  to send as salvation for the virus  he send as. 

Oh wait..... I forgot, this is all a test to see how we react. and those who react nice ,nice, will go to the good place, and those who don't play nice will burn.

In the meantime the evangelicals support trump who never goes anywhere without his bible. in fact I am sure he had it with him while he was screwing the porno star, and I am sure he has it with him when he is screwing us.   

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Oh wait..... I forgot, this is all a test to see how we react. and those who react nice ,nice, will go to the good place, and those who don't play nice will burn.

Definitely, you are barking at the wrong tree.

Imho, you had better ask yourself how comes that a so called civilized country has to choose its leader between T. and H.C... Which is beyond sad.

But then, most probably you deserve that.