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8 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, of course i can only use the tools which i have to speculate about the existence of an intelligent design.

Another example, a car factory can produce thousands of cars of the same model, because there is an intelligent design behind, the same goes for trees, animals, humans.

Yet, if we consider only humans, while the physical characteristics are surely depending on the genes of the parents, the intellect can be totally different.

 

There are patterns in nature which are difficult to dismiss as a product of chaos.

Cars are designed to fit humans and the universe they belong in , The Universe was not designed to fit hunans and the cars they drive,   

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4 hours ago, sirineou said:

it is beyond sad, It is all a joke to maintain  the illusion of "democracy" all the principles know it,  they are simply playing a game of musical chairs. and in November 3 2020 when the music stops those having secured a chair at the table will have to wait a few months until another round of the game starts.

  But that's neither here nor there, this thread is about God. and IMO trump is proof that there is no God.  

One opinion which does not constitute proof of anything other then perhaps that you do not like Donald Trump, but that thread is elsewhere.

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21 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Cars are designed to fit humans and the universe they belong in , The Universe was not designed to fit hunans and the cars they drive,   

I have no proof to the opposite, and your point likewise not proved. We seem to fit here pretty well considering the odds.

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9 hours ago, ravip said:

Ok. Ok. Let's stop the arguments and start praying to God to help humanity to solve this Coronavirus thingy ASAP. After all, HE should have a solution up his sleeve?

Let's join hands, bow our heads and start praying.

God certainly does have a solution.  It applies specially to those who put their trust in God.  You'll find it in Psalm 91.

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4 hours ago, sirineou said:

You are taking this personally.

  When I say "your side" I don't mean you personally I mean the other side in this dichotomy. I realise that on the other side of me there is a myriad of positions. I am on the A...... side,, for the purpose of this thread and by your admision  you are all on the other side. Fortunately for me,, and and  easy to remember,, there is only one  A...... side. 

So which part of the Other  side of A.... are you? I think the metaphysical? 

   I contend there is nothing ,metaphysical , only physical,  and that we are only seeing part of the physical, and the part we can't see yet we  call metaphysical. 

  No different from all the parts we could not see in the past and also called metaphysical, until we could see it, at which time we moved them to the physical column. 

So the column of the Physical is growing and the column of the metaphysical is shrinking. but lucky for the metaphysical team it will never shrink to nothing, we will never know everything, so there will always be a home for the metaphysical.

  Please forgive me if I am a little cranky . The only candidate (andrew Yang) who spoke any sense.  in the US Democratic primary election, dropped out leaving us with much of the same and perhaps another 5-8 years until we talk about the AI, automation, and UBI elephant in the room again. So I got my knives out.

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Quite honestly, I don't think there is a side here. I tend to agree with anyone here who States something with logic and reason, or lays out some sort of interesting metaphysical argument, or discussion of some ritual, practice, or belief, or lack of belief, especially if it's new to me. I have laughed at, and admired posts from the same people. This is a long and interesting thread, and I am fairly new here ...Weeks.

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7 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

One opinion which does not constitute proof of anything other then perhaps that you do not like Donald Trump, but that thread is elsewhere.

trump is not the disease trump is a symptome, one way on another trump will go away, the disease will remain infecting others on both sides of the isle.

I don't  think there is anyone who will argue that the electoral system is not broken, so I don't understand  , are you saying that it is not and that it is just fine?  

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4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Quite honestly, I don't think there is a side here. I tend to agree with anyone here who States something with logic and reason, or lays out some sort of interesting metaphysical argument, or discussion of some ritual, practice, or belief, or lack of belief, especially if it's new to me. I have laughed at, and admired posts from the same people. This is a long and interesting thread, and I am fairly new here ...Weeks.

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Just now, WalkingOrders said:

I am saying a discussion on the merits, or lack of, concerning Donald J Trump do not belong in this thread.

Only to the degree that religion is used in politics, and that the fact that he is president proves that there is no god. :tongue: if there is one she certainly has a warped sense of humor.  

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3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

There is no evidence that supports "intelligent design"

Perhaps you expect a physical evidence, but it's not going to happen.

Yet, the order of the universe is enough for me to prove the existence of an intelligent design.

 

4 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Previously I was taken to task for suggesting that your side believes in a "Meddling" god. now your side argues for "intelligent design" if that's not meddling I don't know what is. Or are you all argue that God designed all these and then forgot about it? If so shouldn't we then say the was a God, rather than there is a God?  

God, intended as intelligent design is eternal, very difficult for our intellect to grasp concepts like "infinite" or "eternal".

You should concede that is beyond our abilities to prove, or disprove eternity or infinity.

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4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I am saying a discussion on the merits, or lack of, concerning Donald J Trump do not belong in this thread.

Ohh .. are you saying that trump is not one of Gods creations? if so I agree

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2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps you expect a physical evidence, but it's not going to happen.

Yet, the order of the universe is enough for me to prove the existence of an intelligent design.

what other evidence is there?

5 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

God, intended as intelligent design is eternal, very difficult for our intellect to grasp concepts like "infinite" or "eternal".

You should concede that is beyond our abilities to prove, or disprove eternity or infinity.

I do , that's why I consider your assertions concerning God incomprehensible 

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49 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Cars are designed to fit humans and the universe they belong in , The Universe was not designed to fit hunans and the cars they drive,   

Well, i honestly doubt that you know why the universe was built.

Pls take my imperfect comparison as it is, both cars and human bodies are the product of intelligent design, imho.

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2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I do , that's why I consider your assertions concerning God incomprehensible 

Well, there are serious clues though, but i don't want to convince you of anything.

 

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