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Is happiness, well-being, serenity... measurable? 

In other words by believing or not, practising things or not, is one individual more than another one. 

He of course can feel the difference personally, but can he pretend he is better off than the one doing/believing something or not. 

I am personally ok in my way, and convinced that others feel the same by their way. 

I will/can not pretend that I feel better or less as I don't know how they feel, just as they don't know how I feel. 

I just believe them when they say they feel "good". 

They may believe me I feel " good" too, or than not; some believing one can only reach the level of "good" in their way only. 

 

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3 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

There is no shame in being ignorant of a certain subject, but it's inexcusable to be ignorant and be proud of it too. Especially when it comes from folks who value rational thinking and the pursuit of knowledge as high as they claim...but then do the exact opposite. 

A sad state of affairs...and the only 'sin' worthy of that name.

On 2/13/2020 at 8:25 PM, Sunmaster said:

God also created opportunities to better ourselves through knowledge. Men's ignorance is men made.

Too many people prefer to choose the blue pill of ignorance than being rattled by the inconvenient and uncomfortable red pill.

On 2/13/2020 at 8:29 AM, Sunmaster said:

I've started to meditate regularly again thanks to this thread.

So, while it hasn't changed my belief system, it certainly has rekindled and intensified the longing for union with the divine. 

On 2/1/2020 at 6:17 PM, Sunmaster said:

Don't worry about me. God in his infinite wisdom will already know everything about me and my intentions. I'm sure he doesn't care if I read the bible or not.

But thanks for caring.

 

Summarizing a few of the points from your posts shown above:

 

1) It's inexcusable to be ignorant and to be proud of it, too.

2) God created opportunities to better ourselves through knowledge.

3) You want to have greater knowledge of God, having a "longing for union with the divine."

4) You don't think God cares if you read His Word or not?

 

It looks like you are so close to the truth.  You want the truth.  And the Bible has it.

 

I can respect a man who has studied something and decided not to accept it.  I cannot respect someone who has deliberately rejected something before they learned anything about it.

 

I will tell you this:  God does care if you read the Bible or not.  He says in it:

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 10:9    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.  
 10:10    For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.  
 10:11    For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.  
 10:12    For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.  
 10:13    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.  
 10:14    How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?  
 10:15    And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!  
 10:16    But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?  
 10:17    So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.  

 

 

It is difficult to believe or have faith without understanding, and understanding does not come through ignorance.  But without faith it is impossible to please God.

 

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16 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Everything at its most basic is just energy. Some choose to believe that that energy came from the creator, while others claim it just happened, all by itself, out of nothing.

I know what seems more logical, but you should feel free to believe that all the energy in the universe is just magic.

With the universe made up of "positive/negative energies" and "particle/antiparticle pairs" with "positive/negative charges" then this could suggest that the universe did indeed come from nothing.

 

In the 1920's Paul Dirac combined special relativity and quantum mechanics, and his equations predicted that antimatter exists... Later, lab experiments have shown that the vacuum of space is filled with a form of particle - antiparticle pairs being created from nothing, where energy is borrowed from nothing creating the particle pairs which then annihilate, paying back the borrowed energy.

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We call them 'virtual particles' because they only exist for a very short period of time and are not considered real particles. However, in an accelerating frame, 'virtual particles' can become 'real particles' and in the very early universe according to the BB theory the universe had a period of inflation where the space expanded so rapidly,  virtual particles became real. Somehow though there was an imbalance of particle pairs and matter was favoured over antimatter.

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2 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

 

Summarizing a few of the points from your posts shown above:

 

1) It's inexcusable to be ignorant and to be proud of it, too.

2) God created opportunities to better ourselves through knowledge.

3) You want to have greater knowledge of God, having a "longing for union with the divine."

4) You don't think God cares if you read His Word or not?

 

It looks like you are so close to the truth.  You want the truth.  And the Bible has it.

 

I can respect a man who has studied something and decided not to accept it.  I cannot respect someone who has deliberately rejected something before they learned anything about it.

 

I will tell you this:  God does care if you read the Bible or not.  He says in it:

It is difficult to believe or have faith without understanding, and understanding does not come through ignorance.  But without faith it is impossible to please God.

 

Wow, that must have taken some effort. 

 

I understand what you're saying and I appreciate the intention. 

However, on point 4...I said I don't think God cares if I read the bible or not. Meaning, if I can find Truth from another source, reading the bible becomes irrelevant and God certainly won't mind, as long as I'm moving towards Him.

 

Believe it or not, there are other sources of wisdom out there, and my personal opinion is they greatly outshine the bible when it comes to the practical matters of introspection and meditation. 

While the bible may simply offer prayer and faith, the Yoga Sutras by Patanjali for example describe the inner journey in great detail, from the very beginning to the final realization of the oneness with God. For my purpose it's the more logical and practical choice.

 

If you can find the answers you're seeking in the bible, that's great, I'm happy for you. My search though,  is taking me beyond just having faith and hoping for the best. 

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1 minute ago, Sunmaster said:

My teacher said:

"You cannot know God by intellect or by mind. You have to feel Him, you have to experience Him. Self-realization is what you realize within yourself. All truth must be assimilated, not just kept on the intellectual plane. When we assimilate truth, then we find the harmony of all religions. "

Did you say the same to him  when he asked, where was his tuition payment? :tongue:

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35 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Meaning, if I can find Truth from another source, 

.... 

 

Believe it or not, there are other sources of wisdom out there... 

There are indeed many sources to find "Truth" and "Wisdom". 

 

Truth and wisdom being relative concepts everyone can found/reach it, whatever the way used. 

 

The aim is the same, the paths are different,

but there are no major and minor roads in this quest. 

 

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8 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

There are indeed many sources to find "Truth" and "Wisdom". Truth and wisdom being relative concepts everyone can found/reach it, whatever the way used. The aim is the same, the paths are different, but there are no major and minor roads in this quest. 

The "self" is a made up construct, a story we concoct as we go along to make sense of the experiences we think we're having - https://www.newscientist.com/round-up/self/

 

Religion, truth, wisdom are merely elements of that story. Consider the known unreliability of eye-witness testimony - https://www.ncsc.org/microsites/trends/home/Monthly-Trends-Articles/2017/The-Trouble-with-Eyewitness-Identification-Testimony-in-Criminal-Cases.aspx

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1 minute ago, Sunmaster said:

I doubt he cares about money, since he has left his body behind.

Btw, I don't mind if you mock me or my beliefs, but please try to be mature enough not to mock my teacher, if you can. Thanks

How did he said that if he had left his bodY? 

By the way did you notice the tongue in cheek emoji after my comment?   

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Just now, sirineou said:

How did he said that if he had left his bodY? 

By the way did you notice the tongue in cheek emoji after my comment?   

I didn't say he said it to me in an eye to eye sitting. He wrote it down before he died, obviously. 

 

If I seem to be too cranky this early morning, I'll just blame Trump. 😄

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3 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

 

 I don't mind if you mock me or my beliefs, but please try to be mature enough not to mock my teacher, if you can. Thanks

Mocking is something not advisable. 

However there is no one, or nothing, more subject or less, to not been mocked if one feel the need to use mockery. 

 

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1 minute ago, Sunmaster said:

I didn't say he said it to me in an eye to eye sitting. He wrote it down before he died, obviously. 

 

If I seem to be too cranky this early morning, I'll just blame Trump. 😄

A syndrome we all suffer  from. :smile:

Hung in there.

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6 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

The "self" is a made up construct, a story we concoct as we go along to make sense of the experiences we think we're having - https://www.newscientist.com/round-up/self/

 

Religion, truth, wisdom are merely elements of that story

The Self is the ego. It is indeed a construct and quite a despotic one.

 

Truth is there with or without the Self and not an invention of it.

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2 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Truth is there with or without the Self and not an invention of it.

I'm with Pontius Pilate on that one

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