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1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

If you put everyone who is not agree with you on ignore, you will of course only read posts of people who are agree with you. 

Where is the need to post on a forum than. 

What are you talking about?  I've been debating with other-minded people for months without problems.

I expect a minimum amount of decency and respect when conversing in a forum.

Mockery is neither decent nor respectful.

 

Nobody should be above criticism, but mockery is something else.

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12 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Who is judging a doctor when he has finished his studies? Or can one just declare he's a doctor without studying?

Since all opinions are equal, we can all be doctors! Who is to tell me otherwise? 555

Being a doctor needs a lot of studies, everyone knows and accept this, it is measurable by everyone. 

 

There are subjects who aren't, and thus is only relevant for the ones believing/practising it. 

 

One can also pretend to know better and more than someone else because knowing more about the subject, but the subject is not measurable. 

 

For instance one can state football is a stupid sport. 

I can than state football is not at all a stupid sport, I look at every match 24 hours a day, know the name of every players from every teams and the results. 

 

So I know more than you about the subnect, per consequence my opinion about football has more value than yours. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

but mockery is something else.

That's what I stated when writing that mockery is not advisable.

But if some wish to use it there is no one or nothing they should spare. 

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16 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

Whether there's any corroborating evidence. People pay money to get a barrister to give an informed opinion about the application of the law to specific circumstances. It's not a "wet finger" exercise

Being a barrister requires a lot of studies and knowledge.

They know the law and it is accepted as such by everybody. 

Not all subjects one is "mastering" into is accepting as being of any importance by everyone. 

So is the opinion these people express. 

Interesting to read, it stops there. 

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1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

Being a barrister requires a lot of studies and knowledge.

They know the law and it is accepted as such by everybody. 

Not all subjects one is "mastering" into is accepting as being of any importance by everyone. 

So is the opinion these people express. 

Interesting to read, it stops there. 

So, you decide which subjects are important and which aren't? 

 

Basically, you're saying that for the subjects you consider important, there is an actual mastery and not all opinions are equal, but for those you deem unimportant (or rather, the ones you don't understand), there is only a "mastery" and magically all opinions become equal.

 

Right. :coffee1:

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28 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

You say you aren't a religious man, but here I see you are showing great faith, despite the odds against your hope.

How is that? do you guys have another Comey waiting in the wings?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/National.html

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16 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Being a barrister requires a lot of studies and knowledge. They know the law and it is accepted as such by everybody. 

On the contrary, the barrister's informed opinion is merely a best guess, and as lots of people have found to their cost, sometimes their best isn't good enough when it gets before a judge. That's why an informed opinion is better decribed as an "hypothesis", either supported or disproved by evidence and therefore subject to change. The theory of evolution is better described as the hypothesis about evolution. Evolution isn't much in doubt any more (DNA research has given us much better tools to verify it) except by the lunatic fringe of religious believers, but theories or hypotheses about how it works are still a work in progress. The existence of God is another hypothesis, and whether you believe in God seems to depend on whether you prefer subjective experience (as Sunmaster clearly does) or subjective perception (such as "intelligent design" as favoured by MAUrg1) or measurable cause and effect (several sceptics here)

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28 minutes ago, sirineou said:

How is that? do you guys have another Comey waiting in the wings?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/National.html

 

 

 

 

I don't have a side, but I don't think the dems have a chance. Let's let it drop though, I would hate if this turned into a Trump thing.

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40 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

So, you decide which subjects are important and which aren't? 

 

Basically, you're saying that for the subjects you consider important, there is an actual mastery and not all opinions are equal, but for those you deem unimportant (or rather, the ones you don't understand), there is only a "mastery" and magically all opinions become equal.

 

Right. :coffee1:

 Basically I accept what a medical professor state, so do I with an experienced lawyer and plumber. 

There is a member here who is a Bible specialist, I don't object to the fact is a pundit in this matter. 

I only not accept, despite his mastery in this field, he stated that his opinion is the only truth and only to be find in  the Bible. 

Same for you, I have no doubt you are a mentor and recognised as such by the adepts of medidation. 

That it brings you and others a mentally calm/stable state and some kind of happiness and well being.

What I not accept is that you consider therefore your opinion about "belief,God,happiness, well being..." as more valuable than someone else opinion about this specific subject. 

 

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1 hour ago, ThaiBunny said:

or measurable cause and effect (several sceptics here)

.. And there is the big divide.

You believe that if you cannot measure, it can't exist.

I object to this "fact",  because the physical senses cannot be the only way to perceive the existence.

Of course, much respect for the scientists and their research on the laws of the physical world, but it's a fact that there is more than that.

 

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2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

And there is the big divide.

You believe that if you cannot measure, it can't exist.

Mostly we all agree the same about what can be measured.

 

Oppose to what may exist, here we encounter  different opinions, different explanations, even total denying.

No one can/should claim than he knows the right answer.

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7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

.. And there is the big divide.

You believe that if you cannot measure, it can't exist.

I object to this "fact",  because the physical senses cannot be the only way to perceive the existence.

Of course, much respect for the scientists and their research on the laws of the physical world, but it's a fact that there is more than that.

The "big divide" is simply that you don't understand the nature of evidence. I have never said "if you cannot measure, it can't exist". Quantum physics tells us a different story - you cannot both measure something and be certain about its position, for example. That is not as subjective as your "evidence" about life having an intelligent design is. Overall, you've simply appropriated the 18th Century Deist argument about God designing the world and then letting us get on with it, to which the obvious riposte is "Why bother with God?"

 

The rest of your statement is simply your opinion that "the physical senses cannot be the only way to perceive the existence". Why "cannot"? As for the "fact" that there is "more to it than that", what can you show us to back up that "fact", except more obscurantism

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Just now, luckyluke said:

No one can/should claim than he knows the right answer.

I think we should draw some line between "truth" and "temporary truth".

Truth surely exists, and we, as a species, we can grasp only little of it, and we call it "Science".

 

I can't really believe that someone can refuse the idea of an intelligent design because "it cannot be measured".

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Just now, mauGR1 said:

 

 

I can't really believe that someone can refuse the idea of an intelligent design because "it cannot be measured".

Well you and surely others can't,

 

 many have no problem with it.

 

For myself I don't consider any group as knowing better than the other.

 

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5 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

The rest of your statement is simply your opinion that "the physical senses cannot be the only way to perceive the existence". Why "cannot"? As for the "fact" that there is "more to it than that", what can you show us to back up that "fact", except more obscurantism

Perhaps i could question your ability to realise that "there is more than what we know".

Can you see the similarity between a tiny atom and the whole solar system ?

Don't you see similar patterns in everything, including any mineral, plant, animal, humans ?

I can see that "pattern" everywhere, and i happen to think that is not by chance.

If you want to believe that all we call "life" happened "by chance", i am ok with that.

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