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16 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I can see that "pattern" everywhere, and i happen to think that is not by chance.

Perceiving a pattern is a perception, it is not a fact. The well-known Rorschach Test shows us that. You "happen to think that is not by chance" is a belief; equally it is not a fact. Your perceptions are undoubtedly reinforced by confirmation bias

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4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I can see that "pattern" everywhere, and i happen to think that is not by chance.

You are free to think what you pleased and make you happy.

 

5 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

If you want to believe that all we call "life" happened "by chance", i am ok with that.

That is  tolerant, good from you.

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5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

That is  tolerant, good from you.

Surely i am, even if sometimes, in the heat of the argument, i could give a wrong impression.

I put tolerance and patience very high on the list of what i consider "divine" qualities.

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Just now, mauGR1 said:

 

I put tolerance and patience very high on the list of what i consider "divine" qualities.

It may be "divine"' for you,

and just fair-minded for another,

or whatever.

 

Being tolerant is what counts.

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11 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

Perceiving a pattern is a perception, it is not a fact. The well-known Rorschach Test shows us that. You "happen to think that is not by chance" is a belief; equally it is not a fact

I can accept that, but you can't claim that perception is the same for everyone.

I have quite neutral feelings about other people's perceptions, in the end, what it matters is my perceptions, and the development of those perceptions.

As i said, and i repeat, to trust exclusively on the 5 physical senses to ascertain reality, creates a sort of "wall of prejudice" that makes impossible to see and enter spiritual realities.

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Just now, luckyluke said:

Being tolerant is what counts.

Only for some. Fanatics (of all religions) have an entirely opposite view

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2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

As i said, and i repeat, to trust exclusively on the 5 physical senses to ascertain reality, creates a sort of "wall of prejudice" that makes impossible to see and enter spiritual realities.

And where have I denied the importance of spirituality? I just don't happen to think, on the balance of probabilities, that there's a "God" involved, or an "intelligent design"

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1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

Being tolerant is what counts.

Not exactly, i am afraid.

Sometimes being tolerant can be wrong, if you tolerate an injustice.

I think justice is much higher than tolerance.

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1 minute ago, ThaiBunny said:

I just don't happen to think, on the balance of probabilities, that there's a "God" involved, or an "intelligent design"

Fair enough, but on the balance of probabilities i believe the opposite.

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3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Not exactly, i am afraid.

Sometimes being tolerant can be wrong, if you tolerate an injustice.

I think justice is much higher than tolerance.

ok, than we can discuss the fact that justice may be impartial.

 

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4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

i believe

You are entitled to believe what you like, so are the others.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

ok, than we can discuss the fact that justice may be impartial.

 

Yes, of course i was talking of "Justice" as an absolute, or impartial, if you prefer.

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On 2/2/2020 at 8:08 AM, mauGR1 said:

Did Jesus say that ?

In my very personal opinion, Jesus was against fundamentalism and bigotry.

For what it's worth, I think he was a good man who could work with wood, the rest all came later when the exaggeration train got going ......

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1 minute ago, geronimo said:

For what it's worth, I think he was a good man who could work with wood, the rest all came later when the exaggeration train got going ......

And in the end it was the wood what got him

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