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22 hours ago, Tagged said:

If you want some credit and aknownledge for your posts, you need to start posting your opinions with your own words. Quoting the bible for every posts gets a bit tiring after awhile. I also thought it is against the forum rules to just qoute texts as an answer. 

I'm not looking for any credit or acknowledgement from any of my posts.  I would think most people would enjoy hearing what God has to say on this subject more than me.  Since the Bible is His message to us, one has to read or share what He says to those who haven't read the Bible.  

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11 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

I'm not looking for any credit or acknowledgement from any of my posts.  I would think most people would enjoy hearing what God has to say on this subject more than me.  Since the Bible is His message to us, one has to read or share what He says to those who haven't read the Bible.  

I wish more people did in fact read the bible and then got to know the texts themselves indeed, and not only hand selected from priests and teachers who believe they doing the humanity a favor. 

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I tried to believe in god but he told me to stone homosexuals, practice incest and eat children.  So I gave it rest for a bit.

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1 minute ago, johnray said:

I tried to believe in god but he told me to stone homosexuals, practice incest and eat children.  So I gave it rest for a bit.

 

 

Which one couldn't you take to ?

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26 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Again as many other statements, we come down to a single word as Happiness, true happiness..

Sorry, but you missed entirely my point..

I said happiness, but I could have said prosperity, or comfort, or anything that has a positive value.

The point is to realise that we are part of the whole, and not just single beings detached from everything.

For example, if there are 10 apples, and you eat all of them, you get a belly ache, and someone else may be starving.  

That said, your points about the meaning of happiness are valid.

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5 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Sorry, but you missed entirely my point..

I said happiness, but I could have said prosperity, or comfort, or anything that has a positive value.

The point is to realise that we are part of the whole, and not just single beings detached from everything.

For example, if there are 10 apples, and you eat all of them, you get a belly ache, and someone else may be starving.  

That said, your points about the meaning of happiness are valid.

Or eat two and the rest become rotten, and need to been trown away! 

 

While 8 people would have felt happiness if he gave it away. I see your point, but not always to understand english contexts on a fora like this 😉 

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3 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Or eat two and the rest become rotten, and need to been trown away! 

 

While 8 people would have felt happiness if he gave it away. I see your point, but not always to understand english contexts on a fora like this 😉 

Well, English is not my first language either, that's a reason why I try to keep it short and simple.

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50 minutes ago, Tagged said:

You are crazy If you really mean that, and I have understood your post correct, People who think and believe a kid suffering from cancer had a choice to corret themselves, or any plague killed natives around the world, or genocides and stealing their land, have something to do with god, you are totally insane. As well people get raped, murdered, turtured is a test from god? Get your head straight, and do something about it, before it is to late. There is no mercy in that teaching, there is no salvation or blissness in such thinking, neither a gods acceptance to do so!

 

Yes, how I Choose to live do have a impact on my health, but as much I know whats good for me, religion do give people bad guilt, that also can influence their physical health as mental healtn, and I see religon as an plague. Religion lead people to do bad things in religions name, and it is the same for me to tell people to open their eyes to see how bad people like trump is to the world, the religion is the dame, and always an excuse to defend their choices. Choices people normaly should not have made, but mass hypnosis where they are led to believe this is right. 

 

If you are borned in middle east, it is highly likely you are a and so on!

Obviously I was not referring to illness incurred because of poisoning, pollution or intake of chemicals.  Sure, I do not have an answer on innocent victims of war and genocide, except that there is also much beauty and love in this world, and you often find it in places where you won't expect it.

Also despite all the sh#t happening, it is still my strong belief that there is no such thing as co-incidence, and that everything happening has meaning and purpose.

Call me crazy and totally insane and I will agree because from your point of view that's completely correct, but don't insult me by putting me in the 'organized religion' corner, because if there is one place where I don't fit it is there.

Don't know what you are trying to tell with 'born in Middle East'.  Not that it matters one bit, but I am West European by birth and world citizen by heart and mind. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Obviously I was not referring to illness incurred because of poisoning, pollution or intake of chemicals.  Sure, I do not have an answer on innocent victims of war and genocide, except that there is also much beauty and love in this world, and you often find it in places where you won't expect it.

Also despite all the sh#t happening, it is still my strong belief that there is no such thing as co-incidence, and that everything happening has meaning and purpose.

Call me crazy and totally insane and I will agree because from your point of view that's completely correct, but don't insult me by putting me in the 'organized religion' corner, because if there is one place where I don't fit it is there.

Don't know what you are trying to tell with 'born in Middle East'.  Not that it matters one bit, but I am West European by birth and world citizen by heart and mind. 

 

It is a very organized thought, you get what you deserved or it is a test god put you trough.

 

When born in Europe, you most likely be a christian som sort and believe in Jesus, Maria, teached about the bible, the same in America. If born in middle east Allah.

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5 minutes ago, Tagged said:

It is a very organized thought, you get what you deserved or it is a test god put you trough.

 

When born in Europe, you most likely be a christian som sort and believe in Jesus, Maria, teached about the bible, the same in America. If born in middle east Allah.

Yes, it's the law of Karma.  But it is not only that you get what you deserve, but also that you get what you need (which you often won't like at all) so indeed a kind of test.

I was born as 3rd generation in a non-religious family both from father/mother's side.  Never been in a church before my 20th birthday and interested in what religions can tell us as a means of self-development.  Indeed, totally crazy but with a method in my madness...

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Just now, Peter Denis said:

Yes, it's the law of Karma.  But it is not only that you get what you deserve, but also that you get what you need (which you often won't like at all) so indeed a kind of test.

I was born as 3rd generation in a non-religious family both from father/mother's side.  Never been in a church before my 20th birthday and interested in what religions can tell us as a means of self-development.  Indeed, totally crazy but with a method in my madness...

Well, as you say, madness, but if its give you any comfort, why not. However, teaching such belief, and putting alot of guilt on innocent people, I do get really upset by. Nobody deserve or need menthal health problems, cancer or any other illness. It is deleted to even think or say so. 

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1 hour ago, Tagged said:

Again as many other statements, we come down to a single word as Happiness, true happiness, that also have to be told and teached what is, because people really do not know what it is. For some their happiness is not even legal, but for others, it is having a shelter, food and clean water. 

 

True happiness is what you feel today, not what you felt yesterday, or what you will feel tomorow. However you can prepare for tomorow, next week, next month, next Year, and for your elderly days and you are ready to go. But what true happiness is, is a Big Q nobody really can explain to another neither teach!

Happiness that is dependent on external factors (food, shelter, money, sex....) is not "true happiness".

True happiness is independent from those influences and can only be found within.

Why? Because you may have food today, but tomorrow you may not. So you're happy while you have it, but as soon as it's gone, happiness goes with it.  

 

But how can you find a happiness that will stay with you regardless, whether you have money, friends, good health or not?

 

I think this is a question that we should all ask ourselves.

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4 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Yes, it's the law of Karma.  But it is not only that you get what you deserve, but also that you get what you need (which you often won't like at all) so indeed a kind of test

Totally agree, even from a purely materialistic point of view, one has to concede that we can learn a lot from our mistakes, and it's undeniable that hardships make us stronger. ( Well, at least if they don't kill us )  😉

So it makes complete sense that we choose some specific incarnation, and/or situation, because there's a lesson to be learnt.

It's obvious to me that the concept of eternal damnation is an invention, and a bad one, to scare the people into submission.

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19 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Well, as you say, madness, but if its give you any comfort, why not. However, teaching such belief, and putting alot of guilt on innocent people, I do get really upset by. Nobody deserve or need menthal health problems, cancer or any other illness. It is deleted to even think or say so. 

It's obvious we are not on same wave-length.

And sorry (but not really) if my views upset you.

 

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6 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

It's obvious we are not on same wave-length.

And sorry (but not really) if my views upset you.

 

You are not alone, years ago the coach of England's national team created a scandal, and was sacked in the end, for talking publicly about karma. Some concepts are hard to digest for the so-called politically correct.

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