EU says it is ready to launch U.S. trade talks, but without agriculture

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

 

 

We are in danger of perpetuating the myth that this is all about the welfare of our noble hardworking fishermen. Another Brexit myth in fact. Virtually the entire UK fishing fleet and associated quotas belongs to 5 families. It is their welfare the rich leaders of Brexit are thinking about, as usual they don't ACTUALLY give a sh#t about the ordinary working man, who is just a tool in their hands.

 

 Facts please. Who are these 5 British Families.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 Facts please. Who are these 5 British Families.

Alexander Buchan and family 

Jan Colam and family 

Robert Tait and family 

Andrew Marr and family 

Sir Ian Wood and family 

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/

[nontabury]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Alexander Buchan and family 

Jan Colam and family 

Robert Tait and family 

Andrew Marr and family 

Sir Ian Wood and family 

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/

 

First of all you’ve tried to distort the facts by stating:- 

 

“Virtually the entire UK fishing fleet and associated quotas belongs to 5 families.”

 

While the facts stated by Greenpeace,are :- 

 

 

“More than a quarter of the United Kingdom’s fishing quota is in the hands of a tiny group of the country’s wealthiest families, an Unearthed investigation has found. 

Just five families on the Sunday Times Rich List hold or control 29% of the UK’s fishing quota.”

 

 

You will notice that one of the families is Andrew Marr from Hull.

 Before we joined the EEC, Hull was during living  memory the largest fishing port in the world, in second place was Grimsby. Today both of those ports have no fishing industry as such, relying on processing fish caught by none British boats. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the vast majority of British fishermen are staunch supporters of Brexit.

 

 

The remains of the Hull fishing fleet,now berthed at a museum.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

 

First of all you’ve tried to distort the facts by stating:- 

 

“Virtually the entire UK fishing fleet and associated quotas belongs to 5 families.”

 

While the facts stated by Greenpeace,are :- 

 

 

“More than a quarter of the United Kingdom’s fishing quota is in the hands of a tiny group of the country’s wealthiest families, an Unearthed investigation has found. 

Just five families on the Sunday Times Rich List hold or control 29% of the UK’s fishing quota.”

 

 

You will notice that one of the families is Andrew Marr from Hull.

 Before we joined the EEC, Hull was during living  memory the largest fishing port in the world, in second place was Grimsby. Today both of those ports have no fishing industry as such, relying on processing fish caught by none British boats. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the vast majority of British fishermen are staunch supporters of Brexit.

 

 

The remains of the Hull fishing fleet,now berthed at a museum.

 

 

 

 

   It's difficult to blame the EU when for example "Scotland, foreign companies have been kept at bay but the country’s generous quotas for species such as herring and mackerel have been bought up by a handful of fishing families. Two-fifths of the entire Scottish catch by value, and 65% by tonnage, was landed by 19 powerful super-trawlers in 2016. Small-scale coastal fishermen, who operate 80% of Scottish boats, have to make do with 1% of quotas."    

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/11/brexit-uk-fishermen-fishing-industry-quotas-uk-government

[Chomper Higgot]

And this from the Express:

 

"But it turns out that foreign firms already own a big slice of British fishing rights and will continue to do so permanently.

 

Why? Because British companies sold their quotas. Spanish firms own 88 per cent of Welsh fishing rights and most of the quota from the Bristol Channel to the Scottish border."

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/peter-hill/937621/britain-fisheries-fish-quotas-north-sea-bristol-channel-blue-passports-brexit

 

So, I understand why British fisherman and their families were eager to believe the Leave promise that Brexit would return British fishing to British fisherman, but the fact is Brexit can do no such thing. 

 

It was not the EU that took British fishing rights, it was British companies sold their quotas. 

 

The issue with fishing quotas is not one of sovereignty or British rights, but one of property rights under British law. Absolutely  nothing to do with the EU. 

 

British fisherman and their families have been used by Leave, with false promises.

 

 

 

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And this from the Express:

 

"But it turns out that foreign firms already own a big slice of British fishing rights and will continue to do so permanently.

 

Why? Because British companies sold their quotas. Spanish firms own 88 per cent of Welsh fishing rights and most of the quota from the Bristol Channel to the Scottish border."

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/peter-hill/937621/britain-fisheries-fish-quotas-north-sea-bristol-channel-blue-passports-brexit

 

So, I understand why British fisherman and their families were eager to believe the Leave promise that Brexit would return British fishing to British fisherman, but the fact is Brexit can do no such thing. 

 

It was not the EU that took British fishing rights, it was British companies sold their quotas. 

 

The issue with fishing quotas is not one of sovereignty or British rights, but one of property rights under British law. Absolutely  nothing to do with the EU. 

 

British fisherman and their families have been used by Leave, with false promises.

 

 

 

 

 

It’s true that many of the British fishing rights were sold to E.u countries, who obviously took advantage of the greed of the owners, and the connivance of the Bureaucrats in Brussels to facilitate such transfers.

 Again I would like to mention that British fisherman, not owners are very much in support of Brexit.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

21 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 

It’s true that many of the British fishing rights were sold to E.u countries, who obviously took advantage of the greed of the owners, and the connivance of the Bureaucrats in Brussels to facilitate such transfers.

 Again I would like to mention that British fisherman, not owners are very much in support of Brexit.

 

 

 

The sale for profit of British fishing rights was conducted entirely under British law and the rights of the purchaser’s ownership

is protected entirely under British law.

 

Absolutely nothing to do with the EU.