Thousands of activists block London roads to demand action on climate change

[bristolboy]

20 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

 

The person in question is Robin Boardman-Pattison from Extinction Rebellion, yet another extremely privileged person desperate to attain Victimhood status.

 

It's always these entitled, middle-class, know-it-all socialists, desperate to avoid being  labelled an 'Oppressor', who clog up the streets with their silly antics. Embarrassing on-screen and off.

Yes the Socialists who now have the capitalists firmly on their side. How galling it must be for you to be losing the economic argument.

[elmrfudd]

10 hours ago, mommysboy said:

 

I think they are just a bit slow on the uptake.  That and somewhat blind to the concept of cause and effect.

but you have a clear understanding though?

 

of course you do

 

[RickBradford]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Yes the Socialists who now have the capitalists firmly on their side. How galling it must be for you to be losing the economic argument.

I'm not making any economic argument. I'm discussing climate change protesters.

[bristolboy]

Just now, RickBradford said:

I'm not making any economic argument. I'm discussing climate change protesters.

Even if they are socialists, why is that relevant?

[evadgib]

Those people should be shepherded into Hyde Park from where they can be suitably processed and, if necessary, charged.

 

Who was it who got rid of Boris's water cannon?

[bert bloggs]

All these people in the end are doing ,is helping businesses to close (they are struggeling already) stopping people from getting to work etc ,they will acheive nothing except for most of them ,having a good time , it was the same in the 60s when i stood outside the American Embassy shouting "hey hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today" then went home not careing but had a good day out with my mates .

[blazes]

The reaction of the London police is reminiscent of the reaction of the Bangkok police/army back in 2008 when the Yellow Shirts shut down Suvarnaphumi for ten days.  Precisely NO reaction.  

I wonder why...

[VincentRJ]

48 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Here's another point that shows just how daft your supposition is. For 14 milion years preceding 1850 or so,  the oceans" PH was constant. But you're contending that possibly there was a huge upsurge in undersea volcanic activity since then? It's thinking like this that makes people think playing the lottery is a great way to make money? Maybe you should take up your case with William of Occam.

Wow! For 14 million years the pH of the oceans has been constant! Amazing!!

 

Everything else has been changing, such as the climate, glaciation and interglaciation periods, the types of vegetation and the extinction and evolution of species, but the pH of the oceans has remained constant, until now. This must be magic, surely. ????
 

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

All these people in the end are doing ,is helping businesses to close (they are struggeling already) stopping people from getting to work etc ,they will acheive nothing except for most of them ,having a good time , it was the same in the 60s when i stood outside the American Embassy shouting "hey hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today" then went home not careing but had a good day out with my mates .

And yet public support to end the US involvement in the Vietnam war hastened the end of US involvement in the Vietnam war.

 

Go figure.

[Chomper Higgot]

40 minutes ago, blazes said:

The reaction of the London police is reminiscent of the reaction of the Bangkok police/army back in 2008 when the Yellow Shirts shut down Suvarnaphumi for ten days.  Precisely NO reaction.  

I wonder why...

Put your tin foil hat on, listens to the voices you can hear and tell us.....  why?!

[Chomper Higgot]

58 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Those people should be shepherded into Hyde Park from where they can be suitably processed and, if necessary, charged.

 

Who was it who got rid of Boris's water cannon?

Because, as a democracy that is what the UK should do.

 

 

Doh!

[bristolboy]

36 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

Wow! For 14 million years the pH of the oceans has been constant! Amazing!!

 

Everything else has been changing, such as the climate, glaciation and interglaciation periods, the types of vegetation and the extinction and evolution of species, but the pH of the oceans has remained constant, until now. This must be magic, surely. ????
 

No. It's something called science. But to the less advanced science can seem like magic.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎4‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 5:54 PM, nauseus said:

The trouble is that the rate of acidification is still increasing and also that some areas are worse affected than others, to the point where some organisms (classic e.g. corals) are already affected. It is a problem already, so alarm bells are definitely warranted.

Sooooo, the CO2 is already in the ocean, and lacking any means to remove it or change the Ph, what can be done to rectify the situation? Even if zero CO2 was released by humans from NOW, how long would it take to make any significant change in ocean Ph?

Let's always remember that CO2 is being released from all sorts of other sources than human created.

 

IMO the die is cast and nothing is going to change the outcome. 

[elmrfudd]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

No. It's something called science. But to the less advanced science can seem like magic.

what is your science background exactly?

 

[bristolboy]

Just now, elmrfudd said:

what is your science background exactly?

 

On the internet you can claim to be anything you want to be. Which is why I make no claims for myself at all on any subject. Instead I cite sources that can be independently verified. 

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, the CO2 is already in the ocean, and lacking any means to remove it or change the Ph, what can be done to rectify the situation? Even if zero CO2 was released by humans from NOW, how long would it take to make any significant change in ocean Ph?

Let's always remember that CO2 is being released from all sorts of other sources than human created.

 

IMO the die is cast and nothing is going to change the outcome. 

Well it would massively slow down the increase and eventually over time it should revert to normal.

"Let's always remember that CO2 is being released from all sorts of other sources than human created."

Can you please alert climatologists to this fact? Because it's not like they have taken that into account.,

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, nauseus said:

Not really a justification for inaction. What about the poor buggers that can't move far?

What "action" do you propose that would actually make a difference?

Remember it has to be realistic, effective, affordable and popular.

[elmrfudd]

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

On the internet you can claim to be anything you want to be. Which is why I make no claims for myself at all on any subject. Instead I cite sources that can be independently verified. 

yes, and you can claim to be more intelligent or informed than those who disagree with you.

and yet you constantly berate others and tell them you have an understanding of science they do not possess while

you have no engineering or science experience or even  a trades background.

 

amazing

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Well it would massively slow down the increase and eventually over time it should revert to normal.

"Let's always remember that CO2 is being released from all sorts of other sources than human created."

Can you please alert climatologists to this fact? Because it's not like they have taken that into account.,

But, but, but the activists are telling us that our doom is already upon us. It would take years to make any difference even if we stopped creating CO2 tomorrow.

 

BTW, "eventually over time" could mean ten thousand years. Perhaps you could be a tad more specific.

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

yes, and you can claim to be more intelligent or informed than those who disagree with you.

and yet you constantly berate others and tell them you have an understanding of science they do not possess while

you have no engineering or science experience or even  a trades background.

 

amazing

 I make no personal claims on my behalf. I cite scientific sources that are independently verifiable.

 

You on the other hand post comments like this:

 

"the hoax of climate change, the hoax of co2 being the driving climate change factor...

 

and the sheep dumb enough to buy the crap science behind the hoax.....

 

amazing lack of common sense"

 

And I'm the one who claims to be more intelligent or informed?  Really?

[elmrfudd]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

8 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well it would massively slow down the increase and eventually over time it should revert to normal.

"Let's always remember that CO2 is being released from all sorts of other sources than human created."

Can you please alert climatologists to this fact? Because it's not like they have taken that into account.,

But, but, but the activists are telling us that our doom is already upon us. It would take years to make any difference even if we stopped creating CO2 tomorrow.

 

BTW, "eventually over time" could mean ten thousand years. Perhaps you could be a tad more specific.

that would require clear unbiased determinations based on all the data, not just the parts that suit a preferred conclusions

to feed the narrative being peddled for profits and government control.

 

like when the IPCC and the global warming cabal ignores scientists that disagree with the assumptions or methods of predictions and conclusions,

and then when anyone ever says vacuous things like "the science is settled" you know there is an agenda being pushed and billions or trillions

to be made off the back of the taxpayer.

 

https://pne.people.si.umich.edu/PDF/ecofables.pdf

http://www.freedomworks.org/content/more-opposition-science-gets-buried-ipcc-exposed-house-cards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/10/15/the-true-global-warming-crisis-is-the-fibs-underlying-the-theory/

https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/10/08/un-ipcc-pretends-the-scientific-publishing-crisis-doesnt-exist/

 

 

then the other tactic is to call those who disagree "deniers" while actually refusing to listen to other scientists that call out the flawed

assumptions and models.

 

[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, RickBradford said:

I'm not making any economic argument. I'm discussing climate change protesters.

But at this juncture,  thanks to the extraordinarily rapid decline in the cost of renewable energy and storage, the issue of climate change is almost irrelevant. You won't need climate change to justify replacing fossil fuels with renewables. Economics will. Coal is no longer competitive in honest open market environments, and gas is gravely imperiled. In power station energy storage, batteries are already financially viable. In a few years, the same will be the case for batteries used in automotive transport. Think of all the pollution we'll be spared. And petroleum and natural gas resources located in the Middle East and elsewhere will no longer be so crucial to the world economy as to be fought over. No more Iraq wars. No more Saudi and Iranian adventurism.  Islamist terrorists will lose most of their financing. I am sure that you, like me, are rejoicing over all these prospects. If it weren't against the rules, I'd be festooning this post with a thousand happy emojis. So instead, just imagine this one multiplied by a thousand.????

[elmrfudd]

20 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

 I make no personal claims on my behalf. I cite scientific sources that are independently verifiable.

 

You on the other hand post comments like this:

 

"the hoax of climate change, the hoax of co2 being the driving climate change factor...

 

and the sheep dumb enough to buy the crap science behind the hoax.....

 

amazing lack of common sense"

 

And I'm the one who claims to be more intelligent or informed?  Really?

yes, you constantly tell people you have "verifiable" sources, while having no scientific 

background.

 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

that would require clear unbiased determinations based on all the data, not just the parts that suit a preferred conclusions

to feed the narrative being peddled for profits and government control.

 

like when the IPCC and the global warming cabal ignores scientists that disagree with the assumptions or methods of predictions and conclusions,

and then when anyone ever says vacuous things like "the science is settled" you know there is an agenda being pushed and billions or trillions

to be made off the back of the taxpayer.

 

https://pne.people.si.umich.edu/PDF/ecofables.pdf

http://www.freedomworks.org/content/more-opposition-science-gets-buried-ipcc-exposed-house-cards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/10/15/the-true-global-warming-crisis-is-the-fibs-underlying-the-theory/

https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/10/08/un-ipcc-pretends-the-scientific-publishing-crisis-doesnt-exist/

 

 

then the other tactic is to call those who disagree "deniers" while actually refusing to listen to other scientists that call out the flawed

assumptions and models.

 

See post #143

[elmrfudd]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

But at this juncture,  thanks to the extraordinarily rapid decline in the cost of renewable energy and storage, the issue of climate change is almost irrelevant. You won't need climate change to justify replacing fossil fuels with renewables. Economics will. Coal is no longer competitive in honest open market environments, and gas is gravely imperiled. In power station energy storage, batteries are already financially viable. In a few years, the same will be the case for batteries used in automotive transport. Think of all the pollution we'll be spared. And petroleum and natural gas resources located in the Middle East and elsewhere will no longer be so crucial to the world economy as to be fought over. No more Iraq wars. No more Saudi and Iranian adventurism.  Islamist terrorists will lose most of their financing. I am sure that you, like me, are rejoicing over all these prospects. If it weren't against the rules, I'd be festooning this post with a thousand happy emojis. So instead, just imagine this one multiplied by a thousand.????

wrong.

 

gas turbines are one of the most efficient methods of power generation on the planet, that will remain the case for several decades at the very least.

the other factor is ability to react to PEAK load demands. we aren't talking about residential demands.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

But at this juncture,  thanks to the extraordinarily rapid decline in the cost of renewable energy and storage, the issue of climate change is almost irrelevant. You won't need climate change to justify replacing fossil fuels with renewables. Economics will. Coal is no longer competitive in honest open market environments, and gas is gravely imperiled. In power station energy storage, batteries are already financially viable. In a few years, the same will be the case for batteries used in automotive transport. Think of all the pollution we'll be spared. And petroleum and natural gas resources located in the Middle East and elsewhere will no longer be so crucial to the world economy as to be fought over. No more Iraq wars. No more Saudi and Iranian adventurism.  Islamist terrorists will lose most of their financing. I am sure that you, like me, are rejoicing over all these prospects. If it weren't against the rules, I'd be festooning this post with a thousand happy emojis. So instead, just imagine this one multiplied by a thousand.????

You seem to overlook the fact that almost everything is made of plastic nowadays, and plastic is made from ……………. OIL!

The oil producers will be minting it for a long time to come.

 

BTW, in "clean green" New Zealand, there is apparently ZERO move to renewables as in alternatives to gas for power generation, or creating an electric charging infrastructure for electric cars. I guess renewables and big car batteries are not as cheap as one thinks.

[elmrfudd]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

See post #143

pointless reference to the post and answers nothing.

 

 

that would require clear unbiased determinations based on all the data, not just the parts that suit a preferred conclusions

to feed the narrative being peddled for profits and government control.

 

original post:

like when the IPCC and the global warming cabal ignores scientists that disagree with the assumptions or methods of predictions and conclusions,

and then when anyone ever says vacuous things like "the science is settled" you know there is an agenda being pushed and billions or trillions

to be made off the back of the taxpayer.

 

https://pne.people.si.umich.edu/PDF/ecofables.pdf

http://www.freedomworks.org/content/more-opposition-science-gets-buried-ipcc-exposed-house-cards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/10/15/the-true-global-warming-crisis-is-the-fibs-underlying-the-theory/

https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/10/08/un-ipcc-pretends-the-scientific-publishing-crisis-doesnt-exist/

 

 

then the other tactic is to call those who disagree "deniers" while actually refusing to listen to other scientists that call out the flawed

assumptions and models.

 

 

your post 143:

But at this juncture,  thanks to the extraordinarily rapid decline in the cost of renewable energy and storage, the issue of climate change is almost irrelevant. You won't need climate change to justify replacing fossil fuels with renewables. Economics will. Coal is no longer competitive in honest open market environments, and gas is gravely imperiled. In power station energy storage, batteries are already financially viable. In a few years, the same will be the case for batteries used in automotive transport. Think of all the pollution we'll be spared. And petroleum and natural gas resources located in the Middle East and elsewhere will no longer be so crucial to the world economy as to be fought over. No more Iraq wars. No more Saudi and Iranian adventurism.  Islamist terrorists will lose most of their financing. I am sure that you, like me, are rejoicing over all these prospects. If it weren't against the rules, I'd be festooning this post with a thousand happy emojis. So instead, just imagine this one multiplied by a thousand.

 

 

 

 

there is nothing factual here, but loads of opinions and assumptions based on nothing

 

a remarkably weak deflection.

[tlandtday]

People need to ask who is paying all these protestors.... Mr. Soros?

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, elmrfudd said:

pointless reference to the post and answers nothing.

 

 

that would require clear unbiased determinations based on all the data, not just the parts that suit a preferred conclusions

to feed the narrative being peddled for profits and government control.

 

original post:

like when the IPCC and the global warming cabal ignores scientists that disagree with the assumptions or methods of predictions and conclusions,

and then when anyone ever says vacuous things like "the science is settled" you know there is an agenda being pushed and billions or trillions

to be made off the back of the taxpayer.

 

https://pne.people.si.umich.edu/PDF/ecofables.pdf

http://www.freedomworks.org/content/more-opposition-science-gets-buried-ipcc-exposed-house-cards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/10/15/the-true-global-warming-crisis-is-the-fibs-underlying-the-theory/

https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/10/08/un-ipcc-pretends-the-scientific-publishing-crisis-doesnt-exist/

 

 

then the other tactic is to call those who disagree "deniers" while actually refusing to listen to other scientists that call out the flawed

assumptions and models.

 

 

your post 143:

But at this juncture,  thanks to the extraordinarily rapid decline in the cost of renewable energy and storage, the issue of climate change is almost irrelevant. You won't need climate change to justify replacing fossil fuels with renewables. Economics will. Coal is no longer competitive in honest open market environments, and gas is gravely imperiled. In power station energy storage, batteries are already financially viable. In a few years, the same will be the case for batteries used in automotive transport. Think of all the pollution we'll be spared. And petroleum and natural gas resources located in the Middle East and elsewhere will no longer be so crucial to the world economy as to be fought over. No more Iraq wars. No more Saudi and Iranian adventurism.  Islamist terrorists will lose most of their financing. I am sure that you, like me, are rejoicing over all these prospects. If it weren't against the rules, I'd be festooning this post with a thousand happy emojis. So instead, just imagine this one multiplied by a thousand.

 

 

 

 

there is nothing factual here, but loads of opinions and assumptions based on nothing

I have exhaustively cited links showing that actual prices being paid for solar are undercutting coal and beginning to push out natural gas. Not predictions, not theories but actual market activity. And here's a little tidbit for you:

Solar-Plus-Storage Beats Combined-Cycle Gas in Jordan and Morocco

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/solar-storage-beats-combined-cycle-gas-in-jordan-and-morocco#gs.5tj8bz

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I have exhaustively cited links showing that actual prices being paid for solar are undercutting coal and beginning to push out natural gas. Not predictions, not theories but actual market activity. And here's a little tidbit for you:

Solar-Plus-Storage Beats Combined-Cycle Gas in Jordan and Morocco

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/solar-storage-beats-combined-cycle-gas-in-jordan-and-morocco#gs.5tj8bz

2 countries with lots of sunlight.

When your post includes rainy Britain I'll be impressed.