EU's Tusk says "dream" of Brexit U-turn not dead

[GroveHillWanderer]

22 minutes ago, smedly said:

because 17.4 (and a majority of 1.3) million people said so - get over it 

That's a ridiculously simplistic answer. 17.4 million people saying so, merely makes it the majority opinion - it doesn't automatically make it the right decision. To use an old schoolground argument, even if a majority of 17.4 million people said that everyone in the UK should go and jump off the top of a tall building, that still wouldn't make it the right thing to do.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, flossie35 said:

You implement an ADVISORY referendum by listening to the advice. Full stop. You are not obliged to take the advice, especially when it results from lies and fraud that would have rendered it null and void had it been decisive. Which it wasn't.

Advisory blah blah, fraud blah blah blah. YOU LOST IT.

 

European Union Withdrawal Act 2018. Says it all.

[smedly]

9 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And 16.1 million said so.

 

Now, explain why you think leaving is the right decision. Or is the question too hard?

are you lazy or what - go look it up yourself - the reasons are many

 

Oh and the NHS has already got an extra 350m and we haven't even left yet lol

 

Maybe you can think of something else to spend the money on - it's about 13b a year 

[bomber]

7 hours ago, smedly said:

no country 40-60 years ago was doing well, we had in the UK industry that was funded by 35% tax and no incentive to improve - companies employed people and could care less about profit because the government made up the shortfall, I remember sitting in a pub with some friends and they were on double time - how does that work - well one guy goes in and clocks all the cards - the company couldn't care less because the government payed for it - go figure

 

Then we had a pile of greedy well paid dockers - power workers - miners - shipyards etc that brought the country to its knees through prolonged strikes - I remember the powercuts and the shortages and the transport strikes - all lead by power hungry people - Thatcher put an end to it, no longer would tax payers bail out anyone or any industry

 

Either  make a profit or (deleted) off

 

a second industrial revolution that was hard on some to adjust but needed to happen

 

we survived and thrived

I agree miners etc were idiots and similar to the present day brexit turkeys imo,

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Indeed parliament is sovereign and can enact laws and change laws and undo laws as it likes, and Brexiteers see a constitutional crisis when parliament is carrying it out the constitution in a way that Brexiteers don’t like. 

 

Most Brexit supporters don't seem to actually know how their own country is governed, it's constitution or parliamentary processes and constitutional laws. They have even less idea about the EU.

 

Instead they repeat things parrot fashion that come from the likes of Boris, Gove, Farrage and R-Mogg. When challenged they can't explain it. This happens on many social media forums. Myths rather than reality,

 

 

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That's a ridiculously simplistic answer. 17.4 million people saying so, merely makes it the majority opinion - it doesn't automatically make it the right decision. To use an old schoolground argument, even if a majority of 17.4 million people said that everyone in the UK should go and jump off the top of a tall building, that still wouldn't make it the right thing to do.

Parliament decided it was the right thing to do. After it, they enacted legislation for Brexit. That's also the right thing to do.
Accept the result and stop preventing democracy in action, is the right thing for you to do. Now back to the playground and play what the majority of the other kids want to play.

[smedly]

5 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

To use an old schoolground argument, even if a majority of 17.4 million people said that everyone in the UK should go and jump off the top of a tall building, that still wouldn't make it the right thing to do.

now there a real genius argument right there 

 

Let us know what your thoughts are on the way down lol

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

are you lazy or what - go look it up yourself - the reasons are many

 

Oh and the NHS has already got an extra 350m and we haven't even left yet lol

 

Maybe you can think of something else to spend the money on - it's about 13b a year 

 

So you can't answer the question 555555! A Brexiter who doesn't know why he voted as he did. Let's have your reasons please, if there are so many to chose from.

 

Can you evidence the extra 350m GBP you claim the NHS has already got?

[smedly]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you can't answer the question 555555! A Brexiter who doesn't know why he voted as he did. Let's have your reasons please, if there are so many to chose from.

 

Can you evidence the extra 350m GBP you claim the NHS has already got?

Oh I can answer it - just not for you lol

 

Like I said, go look it up

[bomber]

39 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And pray tell what happened to all those champions of Brexit politicians?

 

They all buggered off and to date have not issued one single plan of their own. Promised but not delivered. <deleted>!

Spot on, BJ was pushing for mays deal and moggers was if the DUP had backed it.spineless men with no plans who couldnt organise a gamecof tidily winks,but have earned big money with the mess,£100k to listen to BJ do an after dinner speech ???? not that is corruption

[bomber]

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you can't answer the question 555555! A Brexiter who doesn't know why he voted as he did. Let's have your reasons please, if there are so many to chose from.

 

Can you evidence the extra 350m GBP you claim the NHS has already got?

Didnt may give the NHS a boost a while back,it cannot be because of brexit as brexit hasnt and isnt happening,buc brexiteers will somehow try to claim a victory out of it.

[Loiner]

 
So you can't answer the question 555555! A Brexiter who doesn't know why he voted as he did. Let's have your reasons please, if there are so many to chose from.

Why would a Remainer ask a Brexiteer why he voted to Leave?
Don’t all Remainers already know all the different reasons why all the Leavers voted so? Remainers normally delight in telling us that you do. You must be one of the few non-mindreading ones.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And pray tell what happened to all those champions of Brexit politicians?

 

They all buggered off and to date have not issued one single plan of their own. Promised but not delivered. <deleted>!

No, they are still there.

 

With 2/3 of the government being Remainers and in "control" of Brexit what chance do you think any Brexiteer plans would stand of even being heard let alone being acted upon? It was they Tory government that brought you Brexit and had the right to negotiate with the EU.

 

When you are not in charge promises are easily made and broken. Ask the Labour party of even the PM who swore that the UK would be out of the EU by March 29. The same PM who said so very many times that a no deal would be better than a bad deal.

 

If you have a problem with Brexit then tell your local MP and see how far he gets with it.

[welovesundaysatspace]

46 minutes ago, smedly said:

Oh and the NHS has already got an extra 350m and we haven't even left yet lol

So yet another thing the EU was wrongly blamed for. The house of cards it folding and folding...

[Baerboxer]

57 minutes ago, billd766 said:

No, they are still there.

 

With 2/3 of the government being Remainers and in "control" of Brexit what chance do you think any Brexiteer plans would stand of even being heard let alone being acted upon? It was they Tory government that brought you Brexit and had the right to negotiate with the EU.

 

When you are not in charge promises are easily made and broken. Ask the Labour party of even the PM who swore that the UK would be out of the EU by March 29. The same PM who said so very many times that a no deal would be better than a bad deal.

 

If you have a problem with Brexit then tell your local MP and see how far he gets with it.

 

So you believe Boris, Gove, Farage, and R-Mogg all have fantastic plans but are just keep them to themselves?

 

Right to. Says it all.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Why would a Remainer ask a Brexiteer why he voted to Leave?
Don’t all Remainers already know all the different reasons why all the Leavers voted so? Remainers normally delight in telling us that you do. You must be one of the few non-mindreading ones.

 

I would like to know why individuals chose to vote leave. 

 

I wouldn't dream of guessing their reasons and certainly don't do mind reading.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, bomber said:

Didnt may give the NHS a boost a while back,it cannot be because of brexit as brexit hasnt and isnt happening,buc brexiteers will somehow try to claim a victory out of it.

 

Also interesting is that prior to Brexit the DUP were given money to pay for "their PR supporting Brexit". After May's GE folly they DUP really cashed in. As did a number of cities.

 

Dishing out taxpayers money to try and buy support. How very desperate she is.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, bomber said:

Spot on, BJ was pushing for mays deal and moggers was if the DUP had backed it.spineless men with no plans who couldnt organise a gamecof tidily winks,but have earned big money with the mess,£100k to listen to BJ do an after dinner speech ???? not that is corruption

 

Indeedy. Boris earns 275k per year for his journalistic activities for a certain newspaper. Plus been really cashing in on the speaking. 

R-Mogg, refuses point blank to reveal how much is off shore businesses have made out of the Brexit mess. Estimates seem to be into several millions and growing.

 

Whilst be critical of May, the EU and of not leaving without a deal, neither have put forward any plans or ideas of their own. Probably to busy counting all that money and wondering how to avoid tax.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

Oh I can answer it - just not for you lol

 

Like I said, go look it up

 

Of course you can ????, you just don't want to tell us! Go on, don't be embarrassed!

 

How can I look up what reasons made you decide? 

 

And the 350m given to the NHS - evidence please.

 

 

 

 

[bomber]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeedy. Boris earns 275k per year for his journalistic activities for a certain newspaper. Plus been really cashing in on the speaking. 

R-Mogg, refuses point blank to reveal how much is off shore businesses have made out of the Brexit mess. Estimates seem to be into several millions and growing.

 

Whilst be critical of May, the EU and of not leaving without a deal, neither have put forward any plans or ideas of their own. Probably to busy counting all that money and wondering how to avoid tax.

Spot on

[smedly]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Of course you can ????, you just don't want to tell us! Go on, don't be embarrassed!

 

How can I look up what reasons made you decide? 

 

And the 350m given to the NHS - evidence please.

 

 

 

 

typical remainer - you don't know when it's over and you lost lol

 

I'm done with your baiting and trolling nonsense

[bomber]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

No, they are still there.

 

With 2/3 of the government being Remainers and in "control" of Brexit what chance do you think any Brexiteer plans would stand of even being heard let alone being acted upon? It was they Tory government that brought you Brexit and had the right to negotiate with the EU.

 

When you are not in charge promises are easily made and broken. Ask the Labour party of even the PM who swore that the UK would be out of the EU by March 29. The same PM who said so very many times that a no deal would be better than a bad deal.

 

If you have a problem with Brexit then tell your local MP and see how far he gets with it.

Why not take it up with your MEP????

[evadgib]

I'm interested to see what becomes of this although i don't like the actual video :

 

 

[Tilacme]

Full Brexit is going to happen one way or another.  I feel confident that the will of the majority of UK people will ultimately prevail.  There is no grubby EU treaty or any other septic hellish slur against the UK which we as a sovereign state cannot overcome. 

[wabothai]

On 4/16/2019 at 10:28 AM, Tilacme said:

This of course being the guy who believes 17.4m brits should go to hell.

66 mill brits and 750 mill europeans. 17.4 can be ignored.

[Tilacme]

6 minutes ago, wabothai said:

66 mill brits and 750 mill europeans. 17.4 can be ignored.

You are not a democrat.

[puipuitom]

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 10:25 AM, Loiner said:

Keep dreaming Mr Tusk. There are signs the EU is cracking, while the Leavers resolve is becoming stronger in the UK.


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Looking at the polls in the U.K., more and more people have the idea, Brexit was not the wisest decission.

 

see also: https://whatukthinks.org/eu/poll/opinium-12-4-2019/  and  https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/  

[puipuitom]

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 10:28 AM, Tilacme said:

This of course being the guy who believes 17.4m brits should go to hell.

First of all: these 17,4 million Brits, being an overwhelming landslide, undreamable mayority of... 51,88 %.. did NOT choose for a Brexit whatever costs, a hard Brexit, buit... to leave the EU. I presume at acceptable conditions, to have a new referendum over.

Second: so, completely "democratic" the winner takes all, and the 48,11 % of all Brits = Remainers... go to hell ? ? 

Third: give 17,4 million Brits a chance to think it over and evaluate, what are the chances 

Fourth: And MY opinion: when not at least 2/3 in favour of EU.. throw the British out. Enough problems with them since Heath, Thatcher, Cameron and now May again. Charles de Gaulle was right: do not get saboteurs in our Union.

[puipuitom]

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 11:00 AM, Tilacme said:

Yeah, project fear never far away with these idiots, we have a plan, its called WTO rules and UK will do very nicely thank you.

Yes, sell your cars to Africa, and.. Brazil, China, Russia.... Same many outputs of other industries….. for so far still based in the UK and not moved to the EU.

[sammieuk1]

Wonder out of interest how many times 17.4m has been quoted and as the vote was near 3 years ago and also considering the leave vote was predominantly supported by the older generations how many are still alive and how many are now ghost voters. Unfortunately the wheels have come off both sides of the divide because of NI and in or out of course there will still be a border with no acceptable solution out and a very simple one in ????