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BANGKOK 25 June 2019 05:15
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Thai navy boards cabin of fugitive 'seasteaders' facing death penalty

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Okay I may be among the minority here but I think the 'seasteaders' should have thought this one through a bit more. They must have had some idea of what's been going on in the past few years under a junta government and the current 'witch hunt' on the political opposition front. It was bound to happen that having such a structure in the internationally recognized contiguous and economic zone, without prior consultation, that the junta would be on the offensive. I do admit that the death penalty or life sentence is far too excessive a punishment but then with the junta they'll do what they want to do and d**n everyone else. I would have thought a simple warning then boarding/confiscation would have sent the right signals.

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16 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

"Bitcoin expert"?  "Trader"? "Chef"? "seastead Pioneer"?

 

So, a loony criminal who sells worthless currency to other people and occasionally cooks a meal or two? 🤣

 

If you don't want to obey the laws of Thailand, put your "seastead" in the middle of the ocean.

 

Wait.  That would mean they couldn't travel easily to Thailand in order to take advantage of everything Thailand has to offer.

 

Lazy freeloaders. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oh my god, take advantage of everything thailand has to offer, mmm corruption, smog and unlivable areas, dirty streets and turd infested beaches, road carnage, nose picking bar girls with lice ridden hair and bodies, violence against foreiners (unless your chinese), street gangs of youths, higher prices for farangs, now according to the world health organisation the leading country of untreatable gonarhea. wow arent they the lucky ones. (probably missed a few hundred other negatives) cant think of any positives at this times either, but im trying to.

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2 hours ago, anterian said:

I thought Thailand likes to be a hub, seasteading is a trending concept, Thailand should be embracing it, building and servicing seasteads. 

You will be able to buy them on Lazada next month!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

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"Beyond the 12-nautical-mile (22 km) limit, there is a further 12 nautical miles (22 km) from the territorial sea baseline limit, the contiguous zone, in which a state can continue to enforce laws in four specific areas: customs, taxation, immigration and pollution, if the infringement started within the state's territory or territorial waters, or if this infringement is about to occur within the state's territory or territorial waters.[10] This makes the contiguous zone a hot pursuit area."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

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With Trump as Commander in Chief of the US armed forces I would be a trifle hesitant at taking such strong arm tactics against any US citizen.

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12 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

"Beyond the 12-nautical-mile (22 km) limit, there is a further 12 nautical miles (22 km) from the territorial sea baseline limit, the contiguous zone, in which a state can continue to enforce laws in four specific areas: customs, taxation, immigration and pollution, if the infringement started within the state's territory or territorial waters, or if this infringement is about to occur within the state's territory or territorial waters.[10] This makes the contiguous zone a hot pursuit area."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

That's the Convention that the US ignores at their own convenience and has not ratified but uses as an excuse to stir up the Chinese in the South China Sea.

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Just now, Srikcir said:

 

 

 

Note: I have added bold emphasis to the above to make the following comments.

The so-called "seastead" is a sea-going vessel, no different than a sailboat or trawler. It is not permanently anchored to the sea floor as one would expect with a sea-going vessel. Thai authorities have referred to the seastead as a "structure" that seems an attempt to associate it with a platform such as an oil rig but in fact it's not functionally different from the superstructure of a seagoing vessel.

Thai authorities admit that the seastead does not lie within Thailand's "territorial waters" wherein Thailand has sovereignty to control transit of foreign sea-going vessels.

As an aside I believe it's disputable that the seastead is 14 nautical miles off the west coast of the Thai island of Phuket as it appears to be located 12+ nautical miles southeast of the Thai island of Ko Racha Yai which places its location further away from the Thai mainland.

An EEZ does not prevent freedom navigation of foreign vessels under international law UNCLOS. The subject seastead is merely under transit (albeit very slowly). There's no speed requirement for vessels and generally no violation for pausing progress through an EEZ.

What the Thai authorities believe is the seasteader's intent is not evidence and in fact permancy has yet to occur by the Thai Navy's own observation to TOW the seastead to the mainland.

Thailand's sovereign right in the EEZ (presuming the current seastead location actually does fall within the EEZ) is protection of the resources within the economic zone for Thailand's exclusive right to develop and use. (I suggest reading The Exclusive Economic Zone as a Concept in International Law by J. C. Phillips https://www.jstor.org/stable/758725?read-now=1&seq=12#page_scan_tab_contents )

 

However, the seateaders have posted in social media that they are relying on harvesting sealife and plants to sustain themselves. That private plundering of Thailand's EEZ is a violation of the EEZ just as do unauthorized foreign fishing vessels (ie., Cambodia, Vietnam) that net fish in Thailand's EEZ waters! The seasteaders should reimburse Thailand for their harvests, pay a penalty for their unauthorized activities and continue their transit immediately out of the EEZ. But a death penalty? Thailand has never to my recall put any fisherman to death for illegally fishing in Thai waters.

Furthermore, the seasteaders may also be damaging the EEZ through human pollution if all human, seafood and vessel wastes are not retained ON THE VESSEL for proper landfall disposal. Again that might merit a financial penalty. But a death penalty?

 

If Thailand truly respects International Law, it should carefully and FAIRLY gather all facts, thoroughly understand the relevant international laws that Thailand allegedly adheres to and not just focus on elements that support a preconceived conviction.

 

Thailand is the centre of the universe, there are only Thai rules. Didnt you go to school ?!

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3 hours ago, visarunner said:

why no one think about the stupidity of such a structure , did this person or persons think about enter and leaving his "new" state. Looks like a prison to me. Entering Thailand, going out to Sea and than ????????????? Don't we have real problems at hand. Why he not do in front of US coast? Why always blame Thailand?

 

It is not a question whether Thailand should be allowed to remove the structure, but the upheavel created around this, with ridiculous charges being considered. It certainly makes Thailand look very silly indeed.

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Itchy trigger fingers in command. It is a stunt not deserving of more than a fine and a big dinner on him.   If were the Chinese, it would just be a big misunderstanding.  

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thai navy and thai law not have anythink right go to out of thai borden in sea, thais has idiot and do lot all what normal human not newer do. thai navy must keep out near men own house. but anyway all idea have stupid build house center at nothing in sea.

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True freedom on in this world is almost impossible to attain. At least right now. The closest you can get to it is sailing the worlds oceans. But you still have to put in somewhere at some point. Not only that but your ties to the banks. I'm trying to find a way but its proving to be very difficult. Might can get close though,will have to see. I guess I just dont want to a part of this totally controlled world. Some people like it, I dont. Right now it's what we've got so we have to try and make the best of it. Freedom, yeah right.

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