FBI arrests leader of U.S. 'patriots' stopping migrants at border

[IAMHERE]

10 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Hopkins, 69, also known as Johnny Horton, was arrested in Sunland Park, New Mexico, on a federal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said in a statement.

 

What you want to bet the FBI gave him the guns and ammo. 

[Brigand]

This sort of report just highlights that a compromise in the center political ground is needed on such an issue as there are obviously rabid advocates on either extreme for their BS ideas and if not put in check then chaos is coming. The US needs to secure it's southern border properly and discourage wanton illegal immigration, but also conversely, still allow valued immigration of the right people which it was founded on that complies with it's traditional values (free-for-alls are bad mostly). Problem is that now, the US is so polarized and the extent of the mostly recent acquired contempt of each party for the other is so total now that this (and other BS) seems to be not about the issue anymore and just about hating the other side regardless ... no good will come of this and politicians need to focus on the country's problems and not just the hatred for their opposite number. As for the UK, it is in such a mess as it wasn't allowed to control it's borders and they wouldn't toss Cameron a bone or two ... just laughed at him told him to sod off and there is a lesson to learn in all of that. You reap what sow. 

[bristolboy]

10 minutes ago, Brigand said:

This sort of report just highlights that a compromise in the center political ground is needed on such an issue as there are obviously rabid advocates on either extreme for their BS ideas and if not put in check then chaos is coming. The US needs to secure it's southern border properly and discourage wanton illegal immigration, but also conversely, still allow valued immigration of the right people which it was founded on that complies with it's traditional values (free-for-alls are bad mostly). Problem is that now, the US is so polarized and the extent of the mostly recent acquired contempt of each party for the other is so total now that this (and other BS) seems to be not about the issue anymore and just about hating the other side regardless ... no good will come of this and politicians need to focus on the country's problems and not just the hatred for their opposite number. As for the UK, it is in such a mess as it wasn't allowed to control it's borders and they wouldn't toss Cameron a bone or two ... just laughed at him told him to sod off and there is a lesson to learn in all of that. You reap what sow. 

"still allow valued immigration of the right people which it was founded on that complies with it's traditional values (free-for-alls are bad mostly)"

Up until the communist scares of the 1920's immigration into the US was pretty much a free-for-all. So what traditional values are you referring to exactly.

 

And during the 1990's and earlh 2000's illegal immigration was at a much higher level. Did chaos follow?

[metisdead]

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[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Brigand said:

Might soon ... things have changed and many places are going down the toilet and the caravans will keep on coming, not sustainable. Although, not sure if there is any point talking to a lefty figurehead like you, not going find any common ground even if try to be reasonable. Nice cherry-picking on that post though .. give you that.

So a compromise is needed, as long as the left gives in.

[Brigand]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So a compromise is needed, as long as the left gives in.

Try reading my previous post properly next time instead of just trolling .. said center ground.

 

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, Brigand said:

Try reading my previous post properly next time instead of just trolling .. said center ground.

 

I read properly, hence my reply to a right winger.

 

A pity you have a good beer like brigand as your handle.

[metisdead]

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[Becker]

2 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

What you want to bet the FBI gave him the guns and ammo. 

Nothing. 

[bushdoctor]

8 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

Or maybe these are people simply looking to reclaim their lands stolen from previous generations. Are they not patriots themselves

 

That’s a broad statement. Please clarify which people you are referring to, and what land was stolen? 

[bushdoctor]

Immigrants who enter from Mexico illegally to apply for “asylum” will wait in Mexico, not the US.

A large percentage of them will not actually qualify for asylum, and “waiting” in the US for a hearing that they will likely never show up for amounts to near open borders, and was a ridiculous policy. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/12/us/trump-asylum-seekers-mexico.amp.html

 

[observer90210]

Where the law fails to do it's job, people take up the law in their own hands,

[attrayant]

3 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

Where the law fails to do it's job, people take up the law in their own hands,

 

Or in this case, convicted felons in possession of firearms and ammunition take the law into their own hands.  Thanks, I'll pass on that.

[observer90210]

Just now, attrayant said:

 

Or in this case, convicted felons in possession of firearms and ammunition take the law into their own hands.  Thanks, I'll pass on that.

So you are suggesting the US Patriots are a bunch of convicted felons, as that is the topic here ? Ok right, you seem better informed then myself. Thank you for your contribution.

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The movie (Sicario) where the Cartel was moving tonnes of drugs through a tunnel must have been fiction then.

If recollection serves, and it may not, but that’s the same movie that inspired trumps lies about finding prayer rugs in the desert?

[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The movie (Sicario) where the Cartel was moving tonnes of drugs through a tunnel must have been fiction then.

Actually, Sicario was fiction. But that said, yes tunnels are used, too.  But that's not undocumented aliens carrying drugs in backpacks, is it?. As for those tunnels, they're used in very heavily fortified and protected areas like Tijuana-San Diego. And despite the multiple layers of walls and security fences, and the high concentration of border patrol agents, and DEA agents, somehow they manage to get through.

 

They also use catapults. How high do you want to build that wall. But the fact is, as the people charged with enforcing narcotics laws have explicitly and repeatedly said, to the dear ears of the Trumpistas, most of the drugs come through legal ports of entry or border stations.

 

And as anybody with any common sense realizes history has show, it's hopeless to stop such an insanely profitable trade by interdiction. Especially for a country with so much land border and so much coastline.

[bristolboy]

18 minutes ago, farcanell said:

If recollection serves, and it may not, but that’s the same movie that inspired trumps lies about finding prayer rugs in the desert?

I'm ashamed to say that I know this came from Sicario 2.

[Tug]

I don’t know about any movies but I do know some right wing felon has no business whatsoever rounding up immigrants.its time for leadership last year at this time it almost got done had the votes but Donald nixed the deal so one year later here we are its a sad and unnecessary suituation

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, farcanell said:

Rubbish.

 

democrats are not supporting the wall and ripping children from their parents, to put them in cages, whilst supporting the other measures of addressing illegal immigration.

 

Meanwhile, can you support your claim about militia groups catching illegal immigrants by the hundreds, with a link?

Obama era had children in cages. Presumably Dems supported that back then.

 

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/

 

[Thainesss]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obama era had children in cages. Presumably Dems supported that back then.

 

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/

 

Perfect example of "its ok when we do it", which is pretty much the basis of liberalism, at its core. 

[simple1]

13 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Perfect example of "its ok when we do it", which is pretty much the basis of liberalism, at its core. 

Where are the facts to back up your claim Dems / 'liberals' were supportive of the Obama era detainment of children in such conditions.

 

BTW some facts concerning Obama era detention / separation of children rather than the ongoing lies and misinformation by trump.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/fact-check-did-obama-administration-separate-families-n884856

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, observer90210 said:

So you are suggesting the US Patriots are a bunch of convicted felons, as that is the topic here ? Ok right, you seem better informed then myself. Thank you for your contribution.

The arrested leader of the ‘Patriots’ is a convicted felon with a rap sheet going back to 1986.

 

One might say he’s put a lot of effort into being a felon.

 

https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/larry-mitchell-hopkins/

[Chomper Higgot]

There are also photos of the convicted felon leader of the ‘Patriots’ wearing a hat emblazoned with “Special Forces Vietnam”

 

I’ve not posted any of these photos as I’m sure he has every right to wear the hat.

 

Let’s not trample his First Amendment rights.

[bristolboy]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obama era had children in cages. Presumably Dems supported that back then.

 

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/

 

The Obama administration did have unaccompanied minors in cages briefly. But only until a better living situation for them could be found.  The article is lying about them being separated from their family. Even then, 33 democratic senators and 178 democratic members of the house signed a petition protesting this treatment. The only exceptional cases for which the Obama administration did that was if the accompanying parent was a felon. It was very rate.

 

Unlike the Trump administration, Obama did not have a policy of zero tolerance in which all parents with minor children were to be criminally prosecuted and separated from them. Thanks to the massive incompetence or malignant policy of the Trump administration, said administration has admitted there could still be several thousand small children separated from their parents.Unlike the Trump administration, the Obama administration certainly kept track of them.

Trump campaign manager’s tweet omits that children detained under Obama were unaccompanied minors

 

+Parscale appears to be referring to unaccompanied minors fleeing gang violence and poverty in Central America during Obama’s tenure.

Those unaccompanied minors who crossed the border without parents are a different group from the children separated from their parents at the border in recent months.

A report to the U.S. Senate in 2016 stated that since the beginning of fiscal year 2014, the Department of Health and Human Services had placed almost 90,000 unaccompanied minors with sponsors in the United States."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/25/brad-parscale/tyes-immigrant-children-detained-under-obama-they-/

 

Identifying children separated from families at border could take up to 2 years, US says

https://www.foxnews.com/us/identifying-children-separated-from-families-at-the-border-could-take-up-to-two-years-us-says

[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

Perfect example of "its ok when we do it", which is pretty much the basis of liberalism, at its core. 

Pretty good example of the uncritical attitude right wingers take towards fake news. These were unaccompanied minors. And the Obama administration put a lot of effort into quickly getting them out.

However, Parscale omits that this group of children detained is a different situation from the recent Trump administration policy. The 90,000 refers to minors who crossed the border without any parents during Obama’s tenure. Those unaccompanied minors were detained until they were placed with a caregiver. The Trump administration policy separated children from their parents when they crossed the border.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/25/brad-parscale/tyes-immigrant-children-detained-under-obama-they-/

[farcanell]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obama era had children in cages. Presumably Dems supported that back then.

 

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/

 

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/verify/verify-were-immigrant-children-caged-under-the-obama-administration/65-600537320

 

definitely.... Unaccompanied children could be held for up to 3 days in these makeshift shelters before being relocated to temporary housing.

 

Big difference... unaccompanied vs being ripped from yo momma.

 

this spin by trumpy trump was long since explained by authorities, yet you still want to insert it into a thread.... to what end? It does nothing but show that your just not aware of the realities that exist within your own system.

[farcanell]

5 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

Perfect example of "its ok when we do it", which is pretty much the basis of liberalism, at its core. 

Lol... from the other posts above, it looks like I dragged my lazy butt outta bed way to late to smash this rubbish back into the box

 

as some posters are want to point out.... everyone knew trump was a dishonest liar before the election, so why expect him to change now... that’s a fair point for Republicans I suppose. Y’all knowingly elected a liar.

 

what... y’all knowing elected a liar? So.... what the hell are y’all doing believing the trump sponsored attacks on others, when y’all know you knowingly elected a liar?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, bristolboy said:

The Obama administration did have unaccompanied minors in cages briefly. But only until a better living situation for them could be found.  The article is lying about them being separated from their family. Even then, 33 democratic senators and 178 democratic members of the house signed a petition protesting this treatment. The only exceptional cases for which the Obama administration did that was if the accompanying parent was a felon. It was very rate.

 

Unlike the Trump administration, Obama did not have a policy of zero tolerance in which all parents with minor children were to be criminally prosecuted and separated from them. Thanks to the massive incompetence or malignant policy of the Trump administration, said administration has admitted there could still be several thousand small children separated from their parents.Unlike the Trump administration, the Obama administration certainly kept track of them.

Trump campaign manager’s tweet omits that children detained under Obama were unaccompanied minors

 

+Parscale appears to be referring to unaccompanied minors fleeing gang violence and poverty in Central America during Obama’s tenure.

Those unaccompanied minors who crossed the border without parents are a different group from the children separated from their parents at the border in recent months.

A report to the U.S. Senate in 2016 stated that since the beginning of fiscal year 2014, the Department of Health and Human Services had placed almost 90,000 unaccompanied minors with sponsors in the United States."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/25/brad-parscale/tyes-immigrant-children-detained-under-obama-they-/

 

Identifying children separated from families at border could take up to 2 years, US says

https://www.foxnews.com/us/identifying-children-separated-from-families-at-the-border-could-take-up-to-two-years-us-says

LOL. I was only addressing the poster that said

 

"democrats are not supporting the wall and ripping children from their parents, to put them in cages"

 

as that was an untrue statement.

There was no need to post a lengthy attempt to prove me wrong, as I was only pointing out that Obama ( Democrat ) did have children in cages, which is fact. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, farcanell said:

Lol... from the other posts above, it looks like I dragged my lazy butt outta bed way to late to smash this rubbish back into the box

 

as some posters are want to point out.... everyone knew trump was a dishonest liar before the election, so why expect him to change now... that’s a fair point for Republicans I suppose. Y’all knowingly elected a liar.

 

what... y’all knowing elected a liar? So.... what the hell are y’all doing believing the trump sponsored attacks on others, when y’all know you knowingly elected a liar?

Has there ever been elected a politician that doesn't lie, or does it only count when the GOP does it?

Obama was right into the untruths on Obama care eg "if you like your plan you can keep it, etc".

[farcanell]

40 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Has there ever been elected a politician that doesn't lie, or does it only count when the GOP does it?

Obama was right into the untruths on Obama care eg "if you like your plan you can keep it, etc".

Dude... come on.

 

there has never been an elected politician, on record, as having lied to such an abdominal extent as trump has.... over 9000 verifiable porkies to the US people’s to date... you simply cannot try to “normalize” that sort of behavior.

 

And... it simply amazes me that any US citizen is prepared to accept that kind of reprehensible pathological behavior.... and to then applaud it is even worse.... I’m sure a shrink would have a term for that too, but I can’t be bothered goggling it.

 

sure... politicians lie.... but holy hell, what’s going on with trump and his fan base is beyond the pale