puipuitom Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said: So you are quoting the Irish Times poll. I will not embarrass you as you have obviously tried to justify the statistic I shown you. Please come back and tell me how many people were polled. if you do I will truly respect you. The Irish sad no twice. sadly they caved in. Just wait until they start paying and Sien Fein realise that the dream of a united Ireland is dead. They will revert back to anti EU. When it is too difficult for you to find some more publications, herewith: or.. in google with : "Irish poll EU " Ireland and the EU Poll - The European Movement https://www.europeanmovement.ie › Programmes EM Ireland carries out an annual survey of Irish attitudes towards the EU. The poll is administered by Red C among a representative sample of 1,007 adults ... More than 90% of Irish people want to stay in EU, poll reveals https://www.irishtimes.com/.../more-than-90-of-irish-people-want-to-stay-in-eu-poll-r... May 8, 2018 - Just one in nine voters say Ireland should quit the EU, down from nearly three times that level five years ago, a new poll for the European ... Euroscepticism in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland Euroscepticism is a minority view in Ireland, with opinion polls between 2016 and 2019 indicating between 70% and 90% support for continued membership of the European Union (EU). IrishEurosceptics say that the EU undermines Irish sovereignty, that it lacks ... Northern Ireland voters want a soft Brexit: poll - Reuters https://www.reuters.com/...eu-nireland/northern-ireland-voters-want-a-soft-brexit-poll... Mar 7, 2019 - Voters in Northern Ireland want the softest possible Brexit and ... and Northern Irelandrather than checks on the Irish border, a poll for the Irish ... Opinion poll shows majority strongly support ... - The Irish Times https://www.irishtimes.com/.../ireland/irish.../opinion-poll-shows-majority-strongly-su... Feb 8, 2019 - Polls shows strong support for a united Ireland and growing dismay with ... poll shows majority strongly support Government stance on Brexit. Poll of Polls - Ireland - Dáil (Irish Parliament) https://pollofpolls.eu/IE For the runup to the 2019 European Parliament election we provide you with even more information and charts on POLITICO's European Election site. Brexit: 'Very real' chance of Irish unity poll if no deal - BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47170711 Feb 8, 2019 - Several cabinet ministers tell the BBC that a no-deal Brexit could lead to an Irishunification referendum. New opinion poll finds that Ireland has a very positive attitude towards ... https://ec.europa.eu › European Commission › Ireland › News Mar 5, 2019 - European Commission Representation in Ireland news: New opinion poll finds that Ireland has a very positive attitude towards Europe. No wonder, Bexiteers have such a narrow view of the world outside their constituency… or reed only Boris the Liar news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: You are comparing apples with oranges, but whatever, your Brexit won’t happen, it will be a customs union at best, otherwise remaining, either through revoking A50 or a referendum. You will continue to annoy everyone, Nigel will continue to annoy everyone, some super-morons will end up in jail for throwing stones, but in the end everyone will move on and remember Brexit as that big embarrassment that no one wants to talk about again. Get used to it. You thought you won, but you lost. Can you already imagine any next vote in the EU after a withdrawal of art 50 = end of Brexit ? With any the British will have any opposition, for sure one of the others will say: "you want to Brexit again ? ?" The British will have to face that for decades. So, follow the advise of Charles de Gaulle, and ask the Americans or Canadians to be an overseas part of that country. With some luck the Scotish will be an independant member of the EU, and northern Ireland for a bigger part ( = the green part, so much less border problems) unified with the Irish Republic, so you can have the magnitude of Californa ( 2017: US$ 2,746 trillion; Texas: US$ 1,696 tr, New York: $ 1,547 tr.) Total UK for 2017: US$ 2,85 trillion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: You are welcome as you have never been innovators. We Brits are happy to pass on technology to our European friends. We have been doing it for years. I somehow don't see the catch phrase 'The dutch mini' catching on. You said it in your post "The British mini" I suspect like in China and other countries they will only buy British and copies will not be welcomed by the people. Which innovations ? the steam engine of James Watt ? And: BMW acquired the marque Mini in 1994 when it bought Rover Group (formerly British Leyland), which owned Mini, among other brands. For already 25 years, the British have nothing to say about Mini...nor the rest. https://www.acea.be/statistics/article/motor-vehicle-trade-between-the-uk-and-main-eu-partners I never forget my visit to Rowntree Mackintosh in York, in 1980. The entire factory was still working on leather driven belts… as in D, B, NL finished 30 years before. So, I thanked my British hosts for keeping a museum running to show how all was done in the past. "Sorry, it's all we have" was the answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, puipuitom said: Which innovations ? the steam engine of James Watt ? And: BMW acquired the marque Mini in 1994 when it bought Rover Group (formerly British Leyland), which owned Mini, among other brands. For already 25 years, the British have nothing to say about Mini...nor the rest. https://www.acea.be/statistics/article/motor-vehicle-trade-between-the-uk-and-main-eu-partners I never forget my visit to Rowntree Mackintosh in York, in 1980. The entire factory was still working on leather driven belts… as in D, B, NL finished 30 years before. So, I thanked my British hosts for keeping a museum running to show how all was done in the past. "Sorry, it's all we have" was the answer... Perhaps you should remind everyone why everything in those countries was new cira 1950 and the part played by the very people you are trolling. "Lest EU Forget" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartender100 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 By the end of June The Brexit party will be riding on the crest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: What poor little lives you live if that’s the most important issue for you since the UK started voting. My take , another bored expat , who has nought else to do . Thanks TVF, saving expats from a long boredom death ., 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Baerboxer said: There is a current large contingent of Tory MP's and party members who have no respect for the British constitution, parliamentary process and rules and even their own party rules. They are quite prepared and happy to make it up as they go along. And they all support Brexit. From what I've seen it's the Speaker who makes the rules up as he goes along, and he's 100% a remainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said: I may be that you missed the thread with a lot of detail about fishing. The facts were that most of our fishing quotas are owned by 5 families, which were named in one post. They sold fishing rights to companies in other EU countries. Yes SOLD nothing to do with the EU SOLD nothing to do with the EU fishing policy SOLD for personal profit by a bunch of greedy bastards who didn't give a F##k for British workers jobs, and just wanted to line their own pockets. SOLD so we won't get them back by leaving the EU. Beginning to get the picture now, or determined to continue blaming everything on the EU whether it is true or not? It never ceases to amaze me how many of the English working class enjoy their subservience to the rich and the upper class. Kissing the asses of the people who are ripping them off seems to have got into the Anglo Saxon DNA. Farage is just one more example of someone doing the same, do they really love being conned ALL the time, it beggars belief. Farage - man of the people - complete cods. it never ceases to amaze me that people who rabbit on about how poorly the British fishing working class are treated by the current EU fishing rights never mention they were given away by a labour government. This will change after Brexit "Britain will ‘own’ the sea and the fish in it up to 200 miles from the coast for the first time in decades after the UK leaves the European Union, under plans set out today. The Government is proposing a new “zonal attachment” way of deciding which country owns the fish and how they should be shared out. A new fishing white paper sets out ways for "fairer" allocation of fishing opportunities based on the distribution of fish stocks and moving away from a system based on fishing patterns from the 1970s. The “zonal attachment” scheme will replace the current European Union fishing quotas which gives EU trawlers the rights to fish 60 per cent of the fish in UK waters up to 12 miles from the UK coast. EU Member States currently land around eight times as much fish in UK waters than the UK does in EU Member States’ waters. The decision by Mr Gove and Prime Minister Theresa May to publish the white paper before the Brexit talks begin will make it much harder for officials to trade away fishing rights as part of the negotiations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said: From what I've seen it's the Speaker who makes the rules up as he goes along, and he's 100% a remainer. Thank God , for common sense . Farage , equals salvage . RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDave Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I normally vote Labour, but this time I will be voting UKIP all the way! Both of the major parties will do nothing to stop mass uncontrolled immigration; something which has brought third World crimes to a first World country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, aright said: The decision by Mr Gove and Prime Minister Theresa May to publish the white paper before the Brexit talks begin will make it much harder for officials to trade away fishing rights as part of the negotiations." What negotiations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aright Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: What negotiations? The negotiations according to Mr Gove. "The UK will continue to abide by the EU-wide Common Fisheries Policy during the transition period, but ministers said that from 2020, the UK will negotiate access to its waters as an independent coastal state." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/03/britain-sea-fish-200-miles-coast-first-time-decades-michael/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 6 hours ago, vogie said: You are correct about the UK importing fish from overseas, but these are the fish that have been caught in British waters by French or Dutch fishing trawlers. Doesn't it make a mockery of the way the EU operates. The last time the British were fishing off the coast of Normandy or Brittany in our allotted area by the EU, we were attacked by French fishing vessels. Doesn't it make sense to fish our own waters? Propaganda or deliberate ignorance again? Imports into the UK were highest from Iceland (>70000 tonnes), China (>68000 tonnes) and Thailand (>53000 tonnes). This fish does not come from UK sea waters. Imports were highest for cod, tuna, shrimps, prawns and salmon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 hours ago, MRDave said: I normally vote Labour, but this time I will be voting UKIP all the way! Both of the major parties will do nothing to stop mass uncontrolled immigration; something which has brought third World crimes to a first World country. EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 83% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 66% of people from outside the EU. see https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 hours ago, aright said: it never ceases to amaze me that people who rabbit on about how poorly the British fishing working class are treated by the current EU fishing rights never mention they were given away by a labour government. This will change after Brexit "Britain will ‘own’ the sea and the fish in it up to 200 miles from the coast for the first time in decades after the UK leaves the European Union, under plans set out today. The Government is proposing a new “zonal attachment” way of deciding which country owns the fish and how they should be shared out. A new fishing white paper sets out ways for "fairer" allocation of fishing opportunities based on the distribution of fish stocks and moving away from a system based on fishing patterns from the 1970s. The “zonal attachment” scheme will replace the current European Union fishing quotas which gives EU trawlers the rights to fish 60 per cent of the fish in UK waters up to 12 miles from the UK coast. EU Member States currently land around eight times as much fish in UK waters than the UK does in EU Member States’ waters. The decision by Mr Gove and Prime Minister Theresa May to publish the white paper before the Brexit talks begin will make it much harder for officials to trade away fishing rights as part of the negotiations." The combined EU fishing fleets land about 6 million tonnes of fish per year,[5] of which about 700,000 tonnes are from UK waters.[6] The UK's share of the overall EU fishing catch in 2014 was 752,000 tonnes, the second largest catch of any country in the EU.[7] This proportion is determined by the London Fisheries Convention of 1964 and by the EU's Common Fisheries Policy. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Fisheries_Policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, puipuitom said: The combined EU fishing fleets land about 6 million tonnes of fish per year,[5] of which about 700,000 tonnes are from UK waters.[6] The UK's share of the overall EU fishing catch in 2014 was 752,000 tonnes, the second largest catch of any country in the EU.[7] This proportion is determined by the London Fisheries Convention of 1964 and by the EU's Common Fisheries Policy. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Fisheries_Policy All very interesting but what has it got to do with my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Bye bye May, you were a terrible PM and I hated seeing you on tv. I don't envy the one that takes over though, as that is a hexed position at the moment. No one can make both sides happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Bye bye May, you were a terrible PM and I hated seeing you on tv. I don't envy the one that takes over though, as that is a hexed position at the moment. No one can make both sides happy. Now there’s progress. You acknowledge there are two sides to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 18 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: I think one of the big problems is that the lots of Brexit supporting politicians don't want to be seen as changing their mind. They told the people so many lies of how wonderful Brexit will be, all the advantages, no disadvantages at all. So somehow they have to pretend that even a no deal exit would still be better than being part of the EU. By now all of them should realize that no deal would be a major problem. But to admit that to the masses who they told for years how bad the EU is - that would be a real challenge. "think one of the big problems is that the lots of Brexit supporting politicians" Do you genuinely believe that there are "lots of Brexit supporting politicians" ????????! If there is one thing this whole fiasco has made very clear, it is that there are very few genuinely brexit supporting politicians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 15 hours ago, Thingamabob said: No Deal is still in the running, make no mistake about that. It's either that or Remain. Anything else is a waste of time and money. 'It's either that or Remain. Anything else is a waste of time and money." Agree entirely, but politicians are desperately trying to come up with a way to remain, without the electorate realising this to be the case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlandtday Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Although I am not a fan of May she is showing us what the system is all about. Put simply it does not belong to the people it belongs to the elite. They are blocking any Brexit moves and creating disarray to change the outcome. And Boris is no better mark my words. He is part of this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: So who are you! the British gentrie! I guess you are not British then or just like to sound like you are. You can't sell your waters as it is part of the territory. You can let others into them Like the UK did under Heath. Luckily people have realised and we are stopping it. "and we are stopping it" Except 'we're' not - as our politicians are doing everything in their power to stop these types of actions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 9 hours ago, aright said: The negotiations according to Mr Gove. "The UK will continue to abide by the EU-wide Common Fisheries Policy during the transition period, but ministers said that from 2020, the UK will negotiate access to its waters as an independent coastal state." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/03/britain-sea-fish-200-miles-coast-first-time-decades-michael/ Yeah, right - but there is no way out of that 'transition period' unless the eu agrees...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: "think one of the big problems is that the lots of Brexit supporting politicians" Do you genuinely believe that there are "lots of Brexit supporting politicians" ????????! If there is one thing this whole fiasco has made very clear, it is that there are very few genuinely brexit supporting politicians! 1. I believe there are some of them, sure. 2. I am also sure that enough politicians pretend to fight for what they think makes them most likely to get elected again - independent of their real opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: 1. I believe there are some of them, sure. 2. I am also sure that enough politicians pretend to fight for what they think makes them most likely to get elected again - independent of their real opinion. Great, we're getting somewhere? You agree that very few politicians support leave, they are just desperately trying to find a way to get themselves re-elected despite their opposition to the leave referendum result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said: Great, we're getting somewhere? You agree that very few politicians support leave, they are just desperately trying to find a way to get themselves re-elected despite their opposition to leave? Who really knows? I guess with some of them it's so mixed up that they don't even think about what they themselves think is good or bad for the country or themselves. Many will just have their position in mind and they make up their mind depending on what they think is best to keep that position or get a better one. I am EU citizen but not from the UK. I follow Brexit but I don't follow ever detail of every UK politician. With many of them I don't see how what they do makes any sense. But then there are lots of people who vote for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said: I follow Brexit but I don't follow ever detail of every UK politician. Me too and would only wish if a leaver politician would have the guts to take over No.10 and get on and leave one way or the other. The problem as I have posted many times is a remainer in No.10 will not be taking a hard line with EU which is what's wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Me too and would only wish if a leaver politician would have the guts to take over No.10 and get on and leave one way or the other. The problem as I have posted many times is a remainer in No.10 will not be taking a hard line with EU which is what's wanted. It doesn’t matter who is PM. The EU will not give the UK any other deal. And parliament will not accept no-deal. Heck, you won’t even find a PM that would want to be responsible for no-deal. They are only bold as long as they are shouting from the sidelines. The smarter ones would not take the PM job because they know all this. So you would end up with one of fools and tools like Davis or Raab. They would either resign again like they did the last time they failed, or end up in the same situation as May is in now. The only way to get a no-deal Brexit would be by the EU not granting another extension, and even I wouldn’t be so sure whether parliament wouldn’t in the last second sign-off May’s deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Me too and would only wish if a leaver politician would have the guts to take over No.10 and get on and leave one way or the other. The problem as I have posted many times is a remainer in No.10 will not be taking a hard line with EU which is what's wanted. What is a "a hard line with EU"? By now you should have realized that the EU has a couple of options for any country which wants a partnership with the EU. If there are only options A, B or C and the UK wants a little of A and a little of B and additional D and E then this will just never happen. It's like if you go to a car dealer and he tells you you can buy the sports car for 50,000 or the mini for 10,000 and you tell him you want the sports car for 10,000 and you don't accept anything else. That option does not exist! It will never exist. Get used to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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