Sometimes the problem is actually the result of the applicant

[Suradit69]

15 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

I do not ever recall seeing any foreigners yelling, but obviously, that's just my data point.

Generally one hears someone yelling, the sound often draws your attention before you can see them.

 

That said, I've seen and heard people shouting at Jomtien, most reserving their bravado until they are out of earshot of the people they are complaining about. Quite often, if they are coherent, they demonstrate their lack of understanding of the processes, but of course admitting they screwed up would involve an intolerable farang loss of face

[watcharacters]

6 hours ago, Kasane said:

Now imagine a Thai yelling/screaming at an American immigration officer. Will be escorted out if not arrested for causing a public nuisance. I wonder when Thais will level up with western standards. 

 

Do you have a reason for giving as an example "an American immigration officer.".   Are you an  American or just speculating?

[Jingthing]

I've been using Jomtien immigration for well over a decade. I go in for address reports as well. I have never witnessed an incident as the OP described. Not even once. So I call BS. Sure I don't doubt it happens. But regularly. I don't think so.

 

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[Suradit69]

7 hours ago, Formaleins said:

Sometimes it is better just to be who you are and stop worrying about pleasing or keeping happy what is essentially an immature 5 year old child.

Actually it's five year olds who haven't developed social skills that control their behavior in a civilized way and who are egocentric (i.e., who don't worry about pleasing others nor are they concerned about the effects of their behavior on others).

 

Piaget's stages of development:  https://www.healthline.com/health/piaget-stages-of-development#stages

 

But then you were just randomly name-calling, I suppose. A mature 5 year old??

 

 

 

 

[poohy]

5 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

And a strategy, productive or not, employed by children or those so dull-witted that they have never had any success dealing with adults. Usually the tantrum throwers grow out of these behaviors as they finish primary school and the remainder  move to Thailand and join Thai Visa.

 

Throwing a hissy fit is hardly a demonstration of your supposed maturity. The only reason I ever dread a visit to Immigration is the mass of unwashed, uncouth farang milling about ( although 90% of those present seem to be presentable and behave as rational adults).

 

If anything I'm reasonably sure that the Thai officers are able to figure out who these dullards are and find it amusing to see them turn bright red and make sounds like a stuck pig. 

 

 

 

This advice needs an appendix for Tip 8 for farang who haven't moved on beyond toddler behavior.

 

 

 

 

 

 

can i thank you for your empowering lecture i am beside myself with joy and enlightenment

My actual quote was sarcasm but it seems to have touched a thaier than thai nerve

 

I am not talking about shouting at immigration ( I can mostly  avoid them) more concerning are the annoying thais in general, yes i find them annoying thats why i avoid them as much as possible , i suspect i am not alone in that

i live here for my reasons not to enjoy thai society  

And no i dont go around shouting at them but i am sure i would if i was left alone with dealing with them for any length of time

I have selected educated thai friends in Bangkok but the majority especially country people "baan nok" are are IMHO best avoided

[SteveK]

It can be extremely frustrating sometimes.

 

You go to a building to get document A, they say you need document B before they will give you A. So you get a taxi to go and get document B, but no, this cannot be issued on days when a bird has landed on the roof. So they send you to get document C. After yet another taxi ride, guess what? Document C cannot be issued without document A, and even then you would need to provide backdated certificates, signed and stamped, to show that Pluto is actually part of the Kuiper belt and not, in actual fact, a planet. And any spelling mistakes or discrepancies and you will be rudely waved away and told to come back again when you have your documents in order, by which time they have decided that Pluto is now a "planetoid".

 

However, to get such documents you need to have booked an appointment 6 weeks in advance and turn up at 10:31 (not told am or pm) precisely whilst wearing long trousers and a blue shirt, with NO TIE. By which time, document A is no longer in use, so you need to apply for document D with 2 notarised copies of documents B and C, which you can't get because you never had document A, despite being told that it was documents B and C that you needed to get document A.

 

So the only solution is to provide documents E-P (which are in fact thousand baht notes), unless of course they realise that your wife is the daughter of the local puu yai, in which case everything appears like magic.

 

Or you could just pay an agent.

Edited April 23, 2019 by SteveK

[jacko45k]

15 hours ago, Kasane said:

Now imagine a Thai yelling/screaming at an American immigration officer. Will be escorted out if not arrested for causing a public nuisance. I wonder when Thais will level up with western standards. 

A British woman was jailed for something similar after misbehaving at Bali.

 

The issue I have in Thailand is the regulations are not applied consistently. Some IOs do not know the current rules or do not comprehend them. There is no easy ability to speak to a superior when met with issues. And by the way, there have been a few incidents where the IO loses it too!

 

Pattaya had the famous Rottweiler to be avoided. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by jacko45k

[SteveK]

16 hours ago, jacko45k said:

A British woman was jailed for something similar after misbehaving at Bali.

She had a British passport, like all and sundry seem to have these days, but she was originally from Pakistan. Her name was Auj-e Taqaddas and she behaved like a complete and utter moron. She is an utter, utter disgrace to the UK and to herself and her family.

 

She can barely even speak intelligible English, but she thought she could ignore the Indonesian immigration rules and then raise her voice and use violence to force them to let her off. She was also caught attacking security guards with a broom, so it's possible there are some mental health issues at play there.

 

Quote:

She was arrested before the trial in a shopping mall after failing to appear in court several times.

"This is a sham court who was only listening to the dirty prosecutor who did not bring me to the court for six months," said Taqaddas.

As she was escorted from court, she said: "Indonesia is a criminal country. Indonesian law is corrupt. Indonesian judges are corrupt. No lawyer was provided. Indonesian immigration is corrupt."

 

She got a large fine and a prison sentence, I hope they throw away the key.

 

Edited April 24, 2019 by SteveK

[KhaoYai]

On 4/23/2019 at 12:06 PM, KhunFred said:

They force you into a situation where any sane person would react with anger and then get "offended" when you are "jai ron"

Whilst I can fully understand where you are coming from, surely the objective is to win?  There is a better way - not immigration related but much the same - frustration with Thai officialdom..................

 

I went to the Land Office to register a Usufruct on a property's Chanotte - however I went with a lawyer.  Thai officials seem to love having their status in the pecking order confirmed, they will often give a Thai that they see as being 'below' (i.e. most) them a hard time.  If they are that sort, it seems they are even more likley to make things difficult for a foreigner who in their eyes, has no status whatsoever.

 

The actual problem was long and boring so I won't go into the details but the manager at my local Land Office was trying to refuse to register my Usufruct for some spurious reason.  I speak a little Thai yet had no idea what was being said when my (female) lawyer, politely and firmly put the manager in her place.  I really wish I could have understood what was being said but it was quite something to watch anyway.  The manager clearly lost face which is normally a no no but my lawyer knew exactly how to do what she did and make it stick.  I think being a lawyer, probably a little higher up the (invisible) 'pecking order' of Thai society had everything to do with it. 

 

It was something that I doubt many of us get the opportunity to see - certainly all of the other Thai's I know would not have had the courage to stand up to this woman, purely because they think they are below someone in charge of a public office - its just not done, hence 'normal' Thais get things done using the brown envelope method.

 

In common with many foreigner's understanding of how Thai society works, I thought it was impossible to argue with Thai officials - yet watching my lawyer in action showed me that its not all about cow-towing and that there is room for putting an official in their place if you are high enough up in the 'pecking order'.

 

So, if I had a problem at an immigration office and I knew they were in the wrong, rather than get frustrated and angry (which according to the 'Thai way' actually means I've lost massive face), I would simply leave and return with my lawyer and let her do her stuff.

 

I'm not saying its an easy thing to do. In my home country I've been known to blow my top at officialdom - but that's the UK and UK society is not governed by a class hierarchy that prevents its citizens from taking a stand against officials.  Its taken me a long time, probably longer than most to realise that in Thailand, you need to stop and think about a situation rather than getting upset and expecting things to work as they do in the West.

 

In my bank at Pak Chong recently, a foreigner was shouting and bawling because they were refusing to open a bank account for him. "I could buy and sell you all, I'll take my 3 million baht elsewhere" was one of the comments I heard him make.  If he'd have taken the time to stop and think, he would have seen me and the other 2 foreigners waiting our turn in the seats, realised there must be a way to get a bank account and asked us how we did it.  I think its a good bet that he is still looking for somewhere to put his 3 million.

Edited April 24, 2019 by KhaoYai