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Why the Chinese are infinitely more important than Western tourists to Thailand

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1 hour ago, Thaidream said:

You seem to have some type of ageism problem.  Please present your evidence that elderly  long stay  expats have lied about their income; have committed crimes ; and have become a burden to the Thai State. 

 

I also do not know anyone who cannot meet the financial requirements as set currently.  Many of us do not like the bureaucracy of the current police order; nor the fact that our Embassies  refuse to work with Thai Immigration on income verification but we can meet the retirements some of us quite easily.

 

In addition- there is a number of Westerners who plan on leaving Thailand  as they do not want to be placed in a position where following the Immigration law becomes a full time job watching dates and amounts of money in the bank at certain times.  They also have the income but  just don't want to waste their time or energy on the bureaucracy.

 

I have been coming to Thailand for almost 50 years; married to a Thai; and now a long stay expat- I have had every type of Visa there is except the O-X and Residence Permit.  I have never lied about income- always obtained extensions without issue- obtained Embassy Letters with truthful statements.   I know of no one in all the years I have been here who have  falsified anything.

 

The Chinese  have a population of well over a billion people and are within a short plane trip from their country so I don't need to be an expert in travel to figure out that they would come to Thailand as a primary choice.

 

People from the North and South American continent have to travel 20-25 hours to reach Thailand. Moist Americans don't come here as places like mexico; Costa Rica and South America are closer.

 

Europeans are more travel conscious and they have been coming to Thailand for ages. However, Europeans have decided that there are other places they would rather visit for reasons that have been discussed many times before.

 

If you can speak some Thai- ask any Bangkok Hotel Manager;  Taxi Driver or restaurant owner who they  prefer to have as a customer because of their spending patterns and respect for Thai culture.  It won't be the Chinese- as the monies the Chinese spend go to a very limited demographic- mostly affiliated in some way with China.

 

While it is true that an exodus of Westerners will not have a huge impact on the overall Thai  balance of payments- the exodus if it actually occurs will be felt in such places  with large concentration of Westerners such as Chang Mai; Phuket; Pattaya; Bangkok and Udorn.  These type of long stay foreigners will NOT be replaced by long stay Chinese who tend to return home after a few weeks.

 

Instead- what we will see are Chinese investors purchasing Condo's; forming companies to purchase land and reaping profits on turn over; rents; or other types of business- all dedicated to their own countrymen. The majority of these operations will repatriate funds to China and only marginally benefit Thais and those will be already wealthy Thais.

 

Short term players will  welcome the Chinese incursion but the long term strategist will try and win back Western tourism; Western expats and be wary of Chinese expansionism through mass tourism.

 

 

Low income, bar stool dwellers, old farangs whose days of faking income through false affidavits. Don't take it personally. But you can google for the answers that you are seeking.

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4 minutes ago, Kasane said:

Low income, bar stool dwellers, old farangs whose days of faking income through false affidavits. Don't take it personally. But you can google for the answers that you are seeking.

What’s google say about 🔥 

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18 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

The smart move is to accept that it will be China's world soon that the rest of us will be living in. And prepare accordingly.

 

A few phrases like

How are you? Yes, master. No, master. As you desire.

in Mandarin should be good.

 

But, seriously, I walk by King Power on Soi Rangam, which is Chinese tourists ground 0, every day and some of their women are majorly bangable. Prying them loose from their tour group is another matter but that's where language skills would help.

or how about "do you like to party"

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17 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

Probably not as English is an important language in China.  English speakers in China is over 200 million and rising, with 50 million secondary school children now studying the language

Well.....
"Know your enemy".

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40 minutes ago, Bipolar said:

As an educated thai, I prefer to have more Asians in Thailand be it Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Koreans, Malaysians etc. After all we are Asians and we have better cultural values than the Westerners! Yes, there are the good and bad and the poor and the rich, the educated and the uneducated , the losers and the winners in all different races etc, Unfortunately when it comes to Thailand and in terms of farangs, it tends to attract out of a 100% of farangs who come here , at least 90% who are losers, (ie those who could not make in their own countries!, sex tourist and criminals and yes also  whingers. Also most of  the so called working farangs here are the ones that are stealing jobs from the thais ie websites developers, so called digital online marketing professionals, media companies etc and most of them do not support local thais etc. Had a bad experience with two media companies, one based in Pattaya and  another in Phuket, both were reluctant to help a thai start-up get coverage despite even wanting to pay as these scumbags felt threatened by the thai start-up and one , the one based in Pattaya even tried to steal some ideas from the thai start-up. Already in the midst of gaining more support from agencies and top level thais and soon even online to rid thailand of these scum! There are some nice westerners who have contributed greatly to thailands development and also some that are living here as expats with their western wives and families and are decently behaved and are really welcomed in this country, but again these are only a minority. 

We ought to respect the cultural differences of the East and West if Thailand aim to be the good host for tourists.   

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Well yep, because Chinese are also "Save-Face" - B*****s

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Don't forget, China is still a communist country and with one fell swoop of a word from 'The Leader' they're gone. I bet you dollars to donuts as soon as another country gives them a better deal, they're out. I taught in China and lived there. They only loyalty they have these days is to money. They don't care where it comes from.

 

As far as population goes, Less than 10% of Chinese have passports, which means the other 90% is not coming. At the World Economic Forum in Davos yesterday, Ctrip CEO Jane Sun predicted the number of Chinese passport holders would grow to 240 million by 2020. Currently, about 120 million Chinese citizens hold passports, about 8.7 percent of the population. Jan 26, 2018.

 

I had a student who will Never get a passport because her daughter never came back from a trip to Canada in the 1990s. The government is punishing her for her daughter's decision. Many don't want a passport because they do not earn enough to travel anywhere.

 

Don't believe the hype! All of them are not coming to Thailand. There's Dubai, USA markets, European markets, South American markets and Oceana markets. They are still heading to those destinations. Don't forget Singapore.

 

Thailand still needs expats more than expats need Thailand. They just haven't figured that out yet.

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No insult to Western tourists but Asian tourists would spend more than Western tourists.

Look at hotels, Western tourists mostly stay in cheap motels and hostels while Asians dont mind paying for decent hotels.

Its the same in Western countries too, you see more Chinese tourists and they are willing to spend!

 

The world has changed and everywhere depends on Chinese tourists. 

Nobody welcomes tourists who are not willing spending and looking for budget tourism.

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38.5 millions tourist in thailand and 10 millions chineise it is not 57%.ATTA it is not good,GO  BACK TO SCHOOL

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Is this alleged Chinese Expenditure every day ie 365 days a year? My expenditure pa here varies dependent upon  tasks to do but is $35 to 45,000 pa  Bit more than a chinese Tourist over 14 day holiday and my cash is spent with THAI Recipients

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19 hours ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Another humbling graphic (only 20 years away):

 

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When I see projections like this Im always a little bit skeptical - and note it IS nominal GDP. Too many variables for this to be accurate

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No insult to Western tourists but Asian tourists would spend more than Western tourists.
Look at hotels, Western tourists mostly stay in cheap motels and hostels where Asians prefer decent hotels.
Its the same in Western countries too, you see more Chinese tourists and they are willing to spend!
Sure mate,

Ever went to koh kood, lanta, samui and co in a 5 star resort?... Or are you just making stuff up?

Our friends 5 star phuket resort is 40% unoccupied this year. Maybe it's too cheap for the chinese and indians


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Chinese start their children on English lessons as early as 2 or 3. I taught in Shanghai for 4 years and everyone wanted to be my friend to improve their English.

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