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BANGKOK 17 June 2019 00:31
Jonathan Fairfield

Why the Chinese are infinitely more important than Western tourists to Thailand

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19 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

If someone has half Chinese blood but has a Western passport, does that make that person more important & higher class than Westerners or do they sit ranking in between the Chinese & Westerners? 😁😁

If someone is half Chinese blood but has a Thai passport, they rank above anyone. Think the vast majority of the Thai elite.

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On 4/28/2019 at 7:38 AM, spidermike007 said:

I completely dispute the figures in this article. I have read in several articles that the average Chinese tourists spends $192 a day when traveling. But, that figure cannot be applied to Thailand. It is nonsensical. Thailand attracts primarily budget tours from China. Those that travel here from China do not spend even close to that amount. These are biased and false statistics, based on worldwide numbers. And that is why Western tourists are more important than ever. 

 

This is pure whitewash. Worldwide, alot of wealthy Chinese are traveling. And they spend alot of money, bringing up the average spending numbers. But, few of them come to Thailand for a host of reasons.

 

1. Lack of true five star service.

2. No real wine industry.

3. Punitive luxury taxes. No ability to go shopping for luxury items due to ridiculously overpriced goods. 

4. Lack of law enforcement. 

5. Traffic and public safety issues.

6. Crappy air quality that they are trying to escape, combined with an oppressively hot climate. 

And a dozen other reasons. 

 

1. Since the anti-corruption campaign started in China, a lot of five star hotels are trying to downgrade to 4 star as staying 5 star is seen as decadent. Doesn't pay to be a tall poppy in China.

2. Wine is relatively new to the Chinese market. It was largely unavailable 15 years ago. China hasn't suddenly developed a discerning palate. Bai Jiu is still a massive seller and it's like paint stripper but tastes worse. They knock it back by the bucketful.

3. They claim the tax back

4. Have you tried finding a copper in China?

5. It's exactly the same in China. No-one had a car 10 years ago, now there's 330m privately owned cars on China's roads. I suspect not all of those drivers were formally taught to drive.

6. Air quality is awful in the north east and parts of the east coast, but only 15% of the population live there. Half of China is sub-tropical.

 

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1 hour ago, bbi1 said:

If someone has half Chinese blood but has a Western passport, does that make that person more important & higher class than Westerners or do they sit ranking in between the Chinese & Westerners? 😁😁

It's culture wars now, race is irrelevant. So did the western passport Asian adopt western values or is it full on commie v2.0?

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2 hours ago, bbi1 said:

If someone has half Chinese blood but has a Western passport, does that make that person more important & higher class than Westerners or do they sit ranking in between the Chinese & Westerners? 😁😁

I don't think Thailand is the place to be looking for Western class. There's precious little of it left in the world anyway.

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2 hours ago, Traubert said:

1. Since the anti-corruption campaign started in China, a lot of five star hotels are trying to downgrade to 4 star as staying 5 star is seen as decadent. Doesn't pay to be a tall poppy in China.

2. Wine is relatively new to the Chinese market. It was largely unavailable 15 years ago. China hasn't suddenly developed a discerning palate. Bai Jiu is still a massive seller and it's like paint stripper but tastes worse. They knock it back by the bucketful.

3. They claim the tax back

4. Have you tried finding a copper in China?

5. It's exactly the same in China. No-one had a car 10 years ago, now there's 330m privately owned cars on China's roads. I suspect not all of those drivers were formally taught to drive.

6. Air quality is awful in the north east and parts of the east coast, but only 15% of the population live there. Half of China is sub-tropical.

 

 

3. U can't claim the luxury tax back, only the sales tax which is 7%. And well you would have to tax it again when importing in china...

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7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

 

3. U can't claim the luxury tax back, only the sales tax which is 7%. And well you would have to tax it again when importing in china...

If you declare it yes. However as most of these items are made in China and labelled as such they don't come under scrutiny.

 

I think I've posted this about five times already. QA for export is much higher standard than domestic QA. Foreign brands made in China are subject to import tax even though they never leave China. Luxury tax and 7% discount taken into consideration it's still much cheaper than buying in China.

 

Point being that Chinese tourists do go on spending sprees. Particularly in King Power Pattaya where there is indeed an all you can eat buffet.

 

With shrimps.

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13 hours ago, Traubert said:

If you declare it yes. However as most of these items are made in China and labelled as such they don't come under scrutiny.

 

I think I've posted this about five times already. QA for export is much higher standard than domestic QA. Foreign brands made in China are subject to import tax even though they never leave China. Luxury tax and 7% discount taken into consideration it's still much cheaper than buying in China.

 

Point being that Chinese tourists do go on spending sprees. Particularly in King Power Pattaya where there is indeed an all you can eat buffet.

 

With shrimps.

Lol is there really a free buffet at King Power Pattaya for anyone to come and enjoy? lol

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How about the spread of pop culture? What have the Chinese spread culturally other than their love of pursuing monies? Not once yet have i heard any Thai smash out a Chinese song at the karaoke or listened to a Thai talk about their favourite Chinese movie or TV show. Never has a Thai talked in length about their favourite Chinese football team. This is why the junta is chasing the Chinese tourist dollar and long term Chinese immigrant as they know that the Chinese will drain them dry of every last baht but the Chinese will never question power as they are just as brain washed as the Thais.

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1 hour ago, ZeVonderBearz said:

How about the spread of pop culture? What have the Chinese spread culturally other than their love of pursuing monies? 

The movies where they throw cutlery and float in the air, seems to be a whole genre.

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On ‎4‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 7:24 PM, Sealbash said:


Chinese seem to have done well after taking over SINGAPORE.


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Only because they had a strong man that didn't put up with any BS. Without him the place would have been just another <deleted> <deleted>.

Also, the Brits left an excellent port infrastructure for them to take over.

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Right. The Brits can take the credit for Singapore’s successes


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7 hours ago, bbi1 said:

Lol is there really a free buffet at King Power Pattaya for anyone to come and enjoy? lol

No it's not free, but it is all you can eat. I've only been up there once, you can fill up on the free food samples around the store, but I think the buffet was 178BHT if my memory serves.

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6 hours ago, ZeVonderBearz said:

How about the spread of pop culture? What have the Chinese spread culturally other than their love of pursuing monies? Not once yet have i heard any Thai smash out a Chinese song at the karaoke or listened to a Thai talk about their favourite Chinese movie or TV show. Never has a Thai talked in length about their favourite Chinese football team. This is why the junta is chasing the Chinese tourist dollar and long term Chinese immigrant as they know that the Chinese will drain them dry of every last baht but the Chinese will never question power as they are just as brain washed as the Thais.

Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Fan Bing Bing, Ang Lee, John Woo, Stephen Chow, in the film industry.

 

Han Hong, Andy Lau, Jay Chou, Teresa Teng in pop music.

 

Thailand play China regularly at football in the Oceanic groups and Asian Cups, both internationally and at club level.

 

Name me a city where you cant find Chinese food?

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I don't need to google anything about Thailand as I stated I have been around and in Thailand for almost 50 years. I can guarantee I have seen the good; the bad; and the ugly among  both foreigners and locals.
You seem to think all of 'old' people are poor; lie and cheat; sit in bars all days and are generally people of ill repute.
 
Actually what I see is much different- I see most of the Foreign elderly as well to do; living quiet lives;  interested in the theatre or Arts and those who are married  taking care of Thai children sired by runaway Thai fathers and assisting other  extended family members.
 
Some of us do sometimes stop in our local pub to have  some conversation; enjoy a meal or have a beverage.  i didn't know that was against the law or caused a stir  from anyone. The majority of people I see interacting with the local population are polite; respectful and simply live and let live.
 
You obviously  have a very low opinion of Westerners.  While I have seen many Westerners drunk;  bar girls in tow; and generally make a fool of themselves- it is a minority and usually in places such as Pattaya or Phuket which seem to welcome this type of behavior.  
 
I don't stereotype someone because of their age; skin color; ethnic background or anything else. You might try the same- it makes life much more livable.

Excellent reply, took the words right out of my mouth
Cue smart comments about Meatloaf lol


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Regardless of what you read, almost no one speaks English in China, even in hotels. Once you leave the airport, you're largely on your own. Maybe that's why there are few independent travelers there...

Rubbish, I have travel to Shanghai on many occasions for work and the staff at the hotel I stay in ( Radison Blu) all speak English although some speak better then others
My Chinese colleagues who work for the Chinese subsidiary of the European company I work for all speak English


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