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Why the Chinese are infinitely more important than Western tourists to Thailand

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14 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Yea but how much of that went on fixing up sick Buffalo ..

Chinese expenditures was US$15 trillion?

From Wikipedia:

In 2017, according to the IMF, Thailand had a GDP of 15.450 trillion baht (US$455 billion), 

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I never give a buffalo nor a rat's ass about their tourism numbers nor who is their tourist flavor for the moment. I enjoy my time in Thailand and like to travel around this beautiful country. I don't waste my time in bars nor with the girls in them and neither do the Chinese. When Little Caesar took over Thailand he said he would get rid of corruption. Well that signaled the end of the westerner and if you are going to get rid of one group you damn well better have another to take their place. Enter stage left... The Chinese. Yes, they are rude and nasty (If you've ever spent more than 90 days in China you know what I mean) but they have newly found wealth and Thailand wants it share. What's disheartening is how Thailand mounts these campaigns on westerners. Cambodia has more Chinese coming than Thailand, and not just as a travel destination but investment and living, but Cambodia is not cherry picking it's visitors. Let Thailand have their Chinese. Chinese are a fickled bunch. Make them mad and they all turn their noses up and stop coming. 

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14 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Yea but how much of that went on fixing up sick Buffalo ..

Yes, the sick buffalo factor is a very important statistic, As well as the house built by Farang and all family moved into as well as all distant relatives and the "brother".

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12 hours ago, tlandtday said:

Yes and it is possible when you have a bunch of idiots trying to take down their own President while the Chinese march onward in unison. 

Putin's lapdog problems were all self-inflicted. 

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What kind of entertaining bull"*ç%*ç%t.

An European on a daily spending of USD 125 and the Chinese on USD 192? 

The access costs (air ticket) for an European is much more expensive than for the Chinese so this cannot be included in above figure. So, to put it in relation, the Farang spends THB 3'700 per 24 hours; the Chinese a hefty THB 6'000 - every day and as latter arrive (mostly in couples or room sharing basis) it is to be taken on half-twin; the Farang usually would go for single room.

 

These statistics are <deleted> - if you ask me as an outside. You're rabbit hunting and you point your flashlight on it at night. The rabbit's movements usually freeze. Now, if you miss the rabbit with two shots, once you miss to the rabbit's left, once to it's right - then - by statistic - the rabbit is shot dead! There you go with your statistics 😉 

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3 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

Yes, the sick buffalo factor is a very important statistic, As well as the house built by Farang and all family moved into as well as all distant relatives and the "brother".

But the "brother" is really the lover... Lol! 

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14 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

and show them 5 inches more than they ever thought possible. 

 

I doubt your hat size would be that much of a surprise or that impressive.

 

 

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And what about the cost of a fully destroyed country? Already now, Chinese are caught at airports with cardboard boxes full of corals, broken off on reefs all over. Only one example. And this is just the beginning

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11 hours ago, Benroon said:

What ? Is there a polling company respect index somewhere ? I've never heard of them !

Nielsen operates in over 100 countries and employs approximately 44,000 people worldwide. Total revenues were $6.2 billion in 2016.  Now you have.😀

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15 hours ago, Wilsonandson said:

Will this lead to Manadrin becoming the prefered 2nd language in Thailand?

Sent from my SM-A700FD using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

In fact China wants Chinese to become the international language because Mandarin is spoke by more people than any other. Of course, the fact that most of them live in China is considered a minor point, ha! And also in recent news is the headline 'China to build moon station in 'about 10 years' and after that Mars, the Red planet, might become 'red' in other ways too. China spends more money on space programs than Russia and Japan and if the increase is sustained, it will be more than America. Great Caesars Ghost are we looking at a future Chinese Solar System?😀

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6 minutes ago, Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere said:

I agree, Shianukeville is the example, but Cambodia doesn't target its Western tourists nor expats, is my point. Chinese tourists are the reconnaissance arm of the Chinese government. Any country that has an harbor is a prime target. 

Yes.

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6 hours ago, Lashay said:

but they also outspend Europeans per capita by 53% when in Thailand.

 

Instant saw that line knew article was going to be bullshit.

 

Even if you accepted the average spend figures (you would be foolish to, they are based on adhoc airport departure surveys) notice how article does not show average stay?

 

Average stay for Chinese is 8 Days, for Europeans is 17 days.

 

So, using data in article and combining with average stay from TAT, average chinese tourist is worth $1542 and average european $2132. So on that alone Europeans are worth nearly 40% more to the economy ( you get simerlar numbers from most rich origin countrys)

 

TAT is perusing the Chinese because the big boys, malls, large hotels chains and attractions , guys who have government officials ears, like the chinese as easy money for them, even after the chinese tour companys gouge them for discounts where possible. (And dont think for one second discounts  get passed on to tourist, money stays with Chinese tour company).

 

But even they are being short sighted, more and more hotels, malls, attractions  spas are becoming chinese owned and as soon as they have a chinese owned alternative the tour operators switch.

 

Remember a large nicer massage place in Phuket a few years ago, normal 1 hour massage was 300. Tour operator cut a deal with business to bring them X amount of clients per day if they would drop to 200. They did. Later on they found out, when operator asked them to not display their normal prices, they were charging their tourists 600 to 800. 2 years later chinese opened large massage spa in middle of no where, just for the chinese package tourists and dumped the local massage places they had deals with. Most of those local massage places are gone now because other nationalitys stopped going because of the bus loads of (now gone) chinese.

 

There was another situation with latex shops near hotels that chinese operators were using, because they were so much cheaper (even after Phuket’s normal inflated prices) than what was being sold at the Chinese mini malls/"discount shops" they were bussing tourists to, chinese operators put "pressure" on local authorities to have them closed.

 

So just using figures from article and one important data point they conveniently skipped, have established Europeans are worth  nearly 40% per person/trip to Thai economy, but if we factor in how much of chinese spend stays in China or goes straight back there got pretty solid feeling that percentage would be way way higher. Chinese might be spending X, but large portion of that money goes straight back into chinese pockets

 

And as the fallout from Phuket boat sinking showed, even if the Chinese were worth what they claimed, it is beyond stupid for Thailand to become to reliant on them, because unlike nearly any other nationality, they can vanish on mass tomorrow. And if Thailand gets to many of them, for to long, just like that massage shop, when the chinese do vanish there will be no one else left.

Thailand is going to get 80 million of them as tourists.  There will be no room for anyone else.  That's more than the population of Thailand. 

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