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BANGKOK 19 May 2019 21:28
tigerbalm

Has the proof of income ie a monthly 65k deposited in to a thai bank changed to, it has to be a pension income

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Hi All

Went to Chiang Mai immigration today to renew my one year extension of stay submitted all the necessary docs which included Thai letter from the Bank and statements to show a monthly deposit of 65000 Bht only to be told the 65000 bht income has to be a pension income and supported by a letter/s from pension provider to confirm the amount/s

The immigration officer presented me with a list showing the requirements (See Attachment) that seemed to indicate the 65000Bht had to be pension income rather than what i figured to be as shown in the other document (See attachment again) just a income regardless where it come from.

 

My question/s is 

A is this correct now

B my extention of stay runs out on May 10th (so i will have to exit Thailand) so what is the best option/s to get 30 days 90 days or longer? Lao Vietnam, Savannakhet border or any other border come to that.

I have a trip/Flight booked for a holiday back to the UK on 9th July so would really like to stay here until that date.

 

I have a more than 65000 bht income and don't have 800000 bht to hand to deposit for ever in a Thai bank. and i am not married to a Thai

Advice and suggestions would be most welcome. 

 

what a day lol

Regards

TB

Ps sorry if the attachment may be a little big i will try to edit it if and when i submit this, as i cant find a preview button before submission of post

 

 

 

 

 

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This might be interesting to watch. I have an official pension from my work with Texas state government which is part of the 65000+ baht I transfer in every month. I also have Social Security which makes up the rest of what I transfer in. Technically speaking, Social Security is not a pension. I'll be curious to see how tightly they interpret the term "pension."

 

David

 

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Historically, the use of the EN term "pension" in Thai Immigration docs has been a translation of the original Thai language that supposedly means more general sources of income.

 

However, there seem to be some Immigration offices that at times interpret the term literally, which isn't the way it's mostly been treated in the past.....

 

What a PITA....

 

What type of income sources make up your 65K?  And is it possible for you to get any confirming letters from those sources?

 

For example, if you were doing a monthly account from your retirement account back home, would CM Immigration accept a monthly account statement from your retirement account showing confirmation of the transfer?

 

Or they only want pension letters?  And what about Social Security payments?

 

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#3 (left document) says "proven income"

 

#1 on the right says "showing documents and statement from bank in Thailand to show transfers from abroad..."

 

 

Not seeing any requirement for documentation detailing the source of the funds? "Pension" is loosely used here as "retirement income", or even just "income". Asking for letters from the "pension provider" is going down a strange hole. What will these letters look like? How will they be authenticated? U.S. SSA will not generate a "letter", although they do issue both a 1099-SSA and a new year's notification of any increase, and expected monthly benefit. Wonder which one of those would qualify?

 

tigerbalm: You had some record of monthly qualifying transfers? How many months? All above 65,000? All correctly coded as foreign inbound transfers? WHich bank? What did the bank document(s) look like?

 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, tigerbalm said:

My question/s is 

A is this correct now

B my extention of stay runs out on May 10th (so i will have to exit Thailand) so what is the best option/s to get 30 days 90 days or longer? Lao Vietnam, Savannakhet border or any other border come to that.

I have a trip/Flight booked for a holiday back to the UK on 9th July so would really like to stay here until that date.

A. Individual Immigration Offices can make up their own rules. A few Offices are choosing to reserve the monthly 65k method for only those with pensions.  Your monthly 65k extension will probably be accepted if you go through a visa agent.

B. Options
1. Go to a visa agent and most likely receive the extension.  This agent was recommended by another poster: 
http://www.chiangmaivisaservice.com/services/retirement-visa/

 

2a. Leave Thailand and get a 60 day tourist visa. Since your flight to the UK is right at the end of the 60 days, get a 30 day extension towards the end of the 60 days to guarantee you don't overstay, even though that is unlikely to happen.  Vientiane requires an online appointment and it may be too late to book at this point.  Savannakhet requires that you show the equivalent of 20k baht in a bank account (does not have to be a Thai bank) for a tourist visa.  Others can tell you about other Embassies and Consulates.

 

2b. Obtain a Non-Immigrant OA visa when back in the UK (assuming you are a UK citizen). The 1 year OA visa can be stretched to almost two years if timed right by exiting and reentering Thailand shortly before the 1 year expiration date.  If you choose to travel outside of Thailand during the second year of the OA visa, obtain a reentry permit before leaving Thailand. 

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15 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

#3 (left document) says "proven income"

 

#1 on the right says "showing documents and statement from bank in Thailand to show transfers from abroad..."

 

 

Not seeing any requirement for documentation detailing the source of the funds? "Pension" is loosely used here as "retirement income", or even just "income". Asking for letters from the "pension provider" is going down a strange hole. What will these letters look like? How will they be authenticated? U.S. SSA will not generate a "letter", although they do issue both a 1099-SSA and a new year's notification of any increase, and expected monthly benefit. Wonder which one of those would qualify?

 

tigerbalm: You had some record of monthly qualifying transfers? How many months? All above 65,000? All correctly coded as foreign inbound transfers? WHich bank? What did the bank document(s) look like?

 

 

 

Ok it was Bangkok Bank.

'Letter from the bank (Immigration the day before gave me a example letter from a previous applicant with name and account number scrubbed out) so i used that and went to My local Branch they were well aware what i needed as they were doing about 10-15 a month according to the Lady at the Bank.

I took all my Transfer wise statements that the Immigration guy married up with the Bank statement entries then added up the entries for each month to confirm the totals for each month cane to 65k or more.

Statements from the 1st January 2019 to middle of April so 4 months in all showing 65k income.

Regards

TB

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If a local office especially a major one like CM says it's pension only, then they can probably get away with applying that rule even if it is contrary to national guidance. But again, CM and any office will definitely accept U.S. social security old age benefits as a pension. Keep in mind though the average U.S. social security check is well under 65K per month. 

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9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If a local office especially a major one like CM says it's pension only, then they can probably get away with applying that rule even if it is contrary to national guidance. But again, CM and any office will definitely accept U.S. social security old age benefits as a pension. Keep in mind though the average U.S. social security check is well under 65K per month. 

Hi
I am sure you are correct, is there any one you know who has been successful in gaining a extension of stay based on benefits being accepted as pension i only ask because a pension is some thing that belongs to you and can not be taken away (Unless recession and the crash of financial investments happen) the government don't give you it it is yours paid for by your self.

Benefits depending on your financial income can be given but equally taken away, you might be given housing benefits if you are low income but if you suddenly won the lottery i doubt you could still continue to claim them. 

I should mention i am from the Uk so our circumstances will be a little different, but what i can say is i never ever come across any one on Benefits (Hand outs) securing a car loan or a mortgage from a Bank

Regards

TB

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1 hour ago, tigerbalm said:

Statements from the 1st January 2019 to middle of April so 4 months in all showing 65k income.

Ah. That probably explains why your application was refused, you only did 4 monthly transfers, not 12.  The individual Immigration Offices were asked to show leniency this year but I have not seen one report where Chiang Mai IO has shown any leniency.

 

CM IO refused to accept a valid US Consulate Income Affidavit from the guy in the link.  Luckily, he had made 12 monthly transfers into a Thai bank, so he just had to scramble and get documentation from his bank and he was able to get his extension. 

 

 
 

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1 hour ago, tigerbalm said:

the ironic thing is i am pretty certain if i went to another immigration office i would be walking out with a new Extension.

 

Chaeng Wattana in Bangkok showed leniency and issued a retirement extension with 3 monthly transfers.

 

  

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