John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Can anyone recommend or suggest a lawyer specialised in immigration law? Thank you. I forgot to mention i live in Jomtien Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Integrity Legal: https://legal.co.th/immigration-services/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Thank you. But if possible i would prefer a lawyer in the Pattaya/Jomtien area.Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoshi Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Thai Immigration law or other? If Thai, you may be able to get advice on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Thai immigration of course Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 What reason do you need to consult a lawyer? We might be able to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 I need legal advice, not an agent Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, John Hanon said: I need legal advice, not an agent What reason do you need to consult a lawyer? We might be able to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Are you a lawyer?Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntipodeanThai Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Try Siam Legal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted April 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) OP, you may have trouble finding a lawyer that does immigration law, nobody uses a lawyer to address immigration issues, argue a case with immigration etc. Some lawyers will offer the same service as visa agents etc but wont be experts in immigration law. Each immigration office is often a law unto itself having there own interpretation and practice of the immigration act, law etc. There are several guys on this forum who probably know more than lawyers, especially the practicial application and enforcement, they speak English and they are free. Edited April 27, 2019 by Peterw42 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand J Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Khun Surasak 086-688-9528 of Siam Eastern Law and Accounting. Second floor at the corner of the building here: https://goo.gl/maps/UtiCVutLBLCCGutb6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 OP, you may have trouble finding a lawyer that does immigration law, nobody uses a lawyer to address immigration issues, argue a case with immigration etc. Some lawyers will offer the same service as visa agents etc but wont be experts in immigration law. Each immigration office is often a law unto itself having there own interpretation and practice of the immigration act, law etc. There are several guys on this forum who probably know more than lawyers, especially the practicial application and enforcement, they speak English and they are free.I fully agree with you. That’s one of the problems with visas.By the way does anyone know if we are still obliged to apply for visa where we live or if we can go to Bangkok ?Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, John Hanon said: The charming lady in charge of family visa rejected my renewal application because of the new rules... It was my 12th renewal... for the past 3 months i had not transferred enough money to my account (some family problems in Europe). She told my wife a lot of gobbledygook, and gave me 60 days. I want to check my options to get a new family visa, income is no more a problem. Have you been transferring the funds in every month from abroad for some time now. Have you averaged 40k baht or more for the past year. In other words have you transferred at least a total of 480k baht for the past year. Try again to do the extension near the end of 60 days and present proof of all your transfers for the past year. If not then you could go out to get a new non-o visa based upon marriage and apply again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 It’s not grievances, just that I want to make sure to do it the proper way Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Have you been transferring the funds in every month from abroad for some time now. Have you averaged 40k baht or more for the past year. In other words have you transferred at least a total of 480k baht for the past year. Try again to do the extension near the end of 60 days and present proof of all your transfers for the past year. If not then you could go out to get a new non-o visa based upon marriage and apply again. The lady will not entertain a new application unless I have 400k in an account under my name only or 800k if it is a joint account with my wife. For the past 12 months I have transferred about 450k, plus 100k using my Belgian credit card and 30k on my son’s account, but she refused to look beyond the last 3 months on the joint account Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Can we apply for a non-O here in Asia (Penang, Pnomh Penh or Vientiane) or do we need to go back to our country?Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, John Hanon said: The lady will not entertain a new application unless I have 400k in an account under my name only or 800k if it is a joint account with my wife. For the past 12 months I have transferred about 450k, plus 100k using my Belgian credit card and 30k on my son’s account, but she refused to look beyond the last 3 months on the joint account Are you from Belgium? Have you considered getting proof of income from your embassy to prove 40k baht income. 22 minutes ago, John Hanon said: Can we apply for a non-O here in Asia (Penang, Pnomh Penh or Vientiane) or do we need to go back to our country? You can apply for a single entry non-o visa in Vientiane with no financial proof. You can get a single entry or multiple entry non-o visa in Savannakhet with no financial proof. In Penang you will need to show 400k baht in the bank for a single or multiple entry visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Ubonjoe I have used the proof of income for the past 12 years, including this one ... the charming lady refused to consider it this time. Thank you for the non-O info. Will go there most probably Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, John Hanon said: Ubonjoe I have used the proof of income for the past 12 years, including this one ... the charming lady refused to consider it this time. Thank you for the non-O info. Will go there most probably Proof income is still allowed using a proof of income from your embassy. It is written in the new rules that also allows transferring the funds into a Thai bank if you cannot get the income letter. You certainly have grounds to complain by calling 1178. You can download the rules in English and Thai here at 16 and 17, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritTim Posted April 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 hours ago, John Hanon said: It’s not grievances, just that I want to make sure to do it the proper way I understand that you want to do it in the proper way, but you need to recognise that the family desk at Jomtien does not. Unless you use an agent, they are working for nothing except their salaries. You are not the first who uses Jomtien to discover this issue. Some have switched to multiple entry Non O (from Savannakhet or Ho Chi Minh City) and border bounces every 90 days just to avoid the problem. Contacting an immigration lawyer to be told you have a correct understanding of the official rules is a waste of money, unless you want them to liaise with immigration to smooth over your problem. The Jomtien family desk has no intention of following the official rules. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, John Hanon said: I have no intention to cave in to that person. Call me stubborn. But thank you for your comment I respect your determination. While Thailand still has a third world attitude towards the rule of law, and paying officials to do their jobs, it is enormously aggravating to those of us from generally law abiding countries to come across this. I strongly suggest you look into the multiple entry Non O option, though you also need to consider how you will do the 90-day border hops. You must avoid the Poipet/Aranyaprathet border crossing (superficially convenient from Pattaya) which is even more lawless than the Jomtien family desk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Thank you. As you say, the border hop every 3 months could be tiring... i am 73 years oldSent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, John Hanon said: Thank you. As you say, the border hop every 3 months could be tiring... i am 73 years old Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect so just to clarify Did you get an income letter from your embassy to support your application and if so is she rejecting the letter and if so on what grounds - did she ask for further proof of income from home that you could not provide ? If you have complied with the rules then I think you would be justified in using the help line in a tactical pleasant way perhaps using the approach that you don't understand something hope you get things sorted for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Both of the Pattaya Expat Clubs usually have lawyers in attendance who will give advice for free. Although I cannot attest as to whether they are good lawyers. Magna Carta gets a lot of mention around Pattaya. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Yes, i had the income letter, as for the pas 12 yearsYes she just put it asideNo reason given and just a request for the bank letter, which of course did not show the required 40k (some family problems in Europe)It was the 12 or 13th application, so I would say i have a certain experience (lol). Thank you for your suggested approach Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 A huge thank you to all who took the time to help, specially to ubonjoe. His wealth of knowledge helped me find my waySent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Several troll posts and the expected replies to them have been removed (17). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hanon Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 Funny, impossible to avoid trolls. Thank you, i have a much clearer picture now.Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 6 hours ago, John Hanon said: A huge thank you to all who took the time to help, specially to ubonjoe. His wealth of knowledge helped me find my way You're welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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