Elon Musk to face defamation lawsuit for calling Thai cave rescuer “pedo guy”

[Jimdandy]

STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!!

[allanos]

Musk is many things, as stated in a number of the posts here, but he's not stupid; completely the opposite in fact.

 

I have therefore long-pondered why Musk used an epithet like "pedo" to characterise Vern, when he could have chosen a heap of other derogatory terms as some kind of riposte.

 

Musk has never lived in Thailand and would not know the difference between Pattaya (what he calls Pattaya Beach), and Chiang Mai, which he also refers to, unless he is being fed bullets to shoot by a person or persons more familiar with the Thailand environment.

 

In trying to find an answer to this puzzling conundrum, it seems to me that the plaintiff may have something hidden in a murky past.  No one, other than the plaintiff, knows for sure.

 

That said, I believe Musk may well be on a hiding to nothing.

[ZAKY]

Who started first? 

[ThomasThBKK]

He might be not stupid, but he's arrogant. And arrogance even took the Beatles down.


Look at the war he started woth the SEC in America...

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[ThomasThBKK]

So to be "interesting"you have to do "bad" things?

Do you always read without context?

I said i believe mr unsworth doesn't have much dirt to dig up as not everyone here has a sketchy lifestyle. In fact, most of us don't, and just living here doesn't mean there's dirt to dig up about you.


So i am not sure why people here thing that unsworth will regret standing up against that that maniac.





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[atyclb]

29 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

58 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Since Musk is rich and Unsworth is not, Musk will spend him into the ground with motions of all kinds and, if he loses, appeals, possibly even countersuits.  Unsworth can't win against a pile of cash like Musk's.  Although Musk did defame him, the suit is ill-considered as his lawyer should have advised him.

What you say seems worthy of note but the issue about the lawyer advising him is open to argument. Yes perhaps he should have advised him differently but like all lawyers isn't it their foremost intention to make money for themselves so a long drawn out litigious case is beneficial to them ?

Edited 26 minutes ago by geoffbezoz

 

not to forget that sometimes lawyers take on certain cases for the public exposure value

[Chongalulu]

3 hours ago, Pharoticus said:

I second this.

 

Musk made a valid offer. Sure his sub wouldn't have worked, but he didn't know the layout of the caves. Not his fault. 

 

Regardless, what sort of total creep replies, "he can stick his submarine where it hurts"? How sick and pathetic can you get. 

Missed the point- you can’t sue someone for what Vernon said (an obtuse insult)but to accuse someone of paedophilia is defamation . Musk will have no realistic option than to settle out of court for substantial damages . That will happen quite quickly now he failed to have it thrown out.

[geoffbezoz]

5 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

not to forget that sometimes lawyers take on certain cases for the public exposure value

yes guess that's true especially on a no win no fee deal.

[atyclb]

19 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

He might be not stupid, but he's arrogant. And arrogance even took the Beatles down.


Look at the war he started woth the SEC in America...

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paul leaving the band to promote his own music splintered the beatles

[Dek Somboon]

Both are equally foolish. Unsworth being under tremendous pressure shouldn’t be an excuse for simply IGNORING a delusional rescue “solution”. And if not, Musk in a state of pre-burnout from his 80-hour weeks (which may explain his impulsive Trumpesque tweets) should have had the grandeur to simply IGNORE Unsworth’s vulgar provocation...

 

As a SOLUTION, how about a settlement involving:

 

- the rapid expansion of Superchargers all over Thailand for the Model 3 available for order here since early last month. EVs become the new cool and Musk lobbies the Thai government to put in place draconian measures against all idiots who pollute unnecessarily by modifying their vehicles;

 

- Musk provides the funding and possibly the technology for ALL THAI FARMERS to efficiently harvest their crop WITHOUT THE NEED FOR BURNING BEFORE THE NEXT BURNING SEASON;

 

- Musk also provides the funding and (drone?) technology to dissuade/apprehend arsonist mushroom pickers.

 

-  There are NO LOSERS as EVERYBODY WINS, the two men can show the world they’ve now graduated to gentlemen status and Unsworth goes down in history as a double hero. (Anybody here who knows him personally, please forward this suggestion to him.)

[Ridler]

5 hours ago, racket said:

I hope Musk wins and that Unsworth ends up paying Elon for the stupid comments he made. That would be really fun to see! 

The only Stupid comment is the one you have made, ridiculous

lets all call you a peado and see how you like it, silly little man

[roo860]

The only Stupid comment is the one you have made, ridiculous
lets all call you a peado and see how you like it, silly little man

Well said!

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[rasg]

1 hour ago, Shiver said:

I don't get this.  Unsworth insults Musk after trying to assist, then Musk has to pay Unsworth for retaliating?

Why is Unsworth insinuating that Musk takes long metallic objects up his rear?  Is that too not a case for character defamation, or is Musk just not that petty to take it to court and let other peoples money pay for the legal teams?

If I recall, it was the rescue team that gave the Musk team the dimensions in which such a device must be capable of navigating.  Musk working to supplied poor specifications is not a failure on his teams part.

With what little I've seen, I'm leaning a little to the Musk side of the story, but then again, a legal case for calling names? 

I should make myself a public person then go after every kid that ever called me a name in the school yard.  I think I should go for a tenner off each of them.

 

Musk plummeted in my estimation the moment those words fell out of his mouth.

 

He knew that helping the stuck cave boys get out of the caves would give him a lot of positive publicity if he provided the solution to getting the boys out. He (or his team) didn't seem to know or understand the geography of the caves and it would have been a good idea to ask rather than simply getting the dimensions and then building something that couldn't possibly do the job. I hope he does the right thing and makes a huge apology and Unsworth makes a few quid out of it. I think, and hope, that Musk's shareholders will force that to happen.

 

Musk should lay off the drugs before he tweets.

[watcharacters]

5 hours ago, racket said:

I hope Musk wins and that Unsworth ends up paying Elon for the stupid comments he made. That would be really fun to see! 

 

I forgot the details of the spat between the two.      Didn't Mr. Unsworth say something about Mr. Musk's small submarine that hurt Musk's feelings and then Musk shot back with remarks that hurt Unsworth feelings.

 

Isn't that the gist of the matter?

 

I'd say move on with more important matters.

 

 

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, Cadbury said:

Something else to distract Musk from his real worries.......like Tesla going broke.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/teslas-financial-problems-return-2019-2019-3?r=US&IR=T

and losing out to Boeing regarding NASA's space contract!

[Bangkok Barry]

2 hours ago, OJAS said:

Just as well for Musk, then, that this isn't a Thai criminal defamation lawsuit - which might have resulted in him being banged up in the Bangkok Hilton for an exceedingly long stretch!

 

In Thailand he could have bought himself out of trouble. In California he can't.

[Eleutherios]

1 hour ago, nchuckle said:

Missed the point- you can’t sue someone for what Vernon said (an obtuse insult)but to accuse someone of paedophilia is defamation . Musk will have no realistic option than to settle out of court for substantial damages . That will happen quite quickly now he failed to have it thrown out. 

You hope so, but, as this article points out, Musk's lawyers appear to be smarter than Musk (https://dolarr.com/elon-musks-lawyers-appear-more-competent-than-elon-musk-above-the-law/) and Musk must agree to settle, but I suspect he won't.  Musk should have backed off after his first comment, but he didn't.  He should have settled before a suit was filed, but he didn't. I am sure Musk was advised by counsel to tone this down and make this go away.  But he never did so. 

Musk has reputation for, ehr, eccentric bevaiour.  And ignoring his advisors.  He is undoubtedly a brilliant guy, but he's infamous for his imperious "I am smartest guy in the room" attitude.  That is his Achilles heel.

Consider the argument his lawyers had to use to try to get the case dismissed: in brief, Elon's tweets were so ridiculous and outrageous that no reasonable person would have taken them seriously.  That demonstrates the weakness of his legal position.  If those are the cards you have been dealt (that argument), you can bet his lawyers told him repeatedly to settle long ago.  But Musk hasn't.  

Vernon's lawyer are working on a contingency fee basis.  They are well known and very capable.  So are Musk's lawyers.  But Vernon seems to be listening to his lawyers, while Musk is ignoring his.

[Phredd]

One would expect Unsworth to win, but in our World the term "Capital Punishment" refers to - If you have Capital you won't be Punished! Should Unsworth get his justice reward I hope he helps the "Boys" families and the Boys financially, as it would not need to be all that much due to the cost of living in this Beautiful Country,

[DJ54]

6 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

By the time a ruling is finalised he will be living on Mars by then

I thought he was already......serious for a brilliant guy he should have not blown his fuse. It’s tried in California?

 

... maybe they can have him do about 1 year hard labor in a Thai prison....and pay up. Hope Unsworth gets a boat load of money and enjoy life to its fullest or is it Foolist for Musk...

[ballpoint]

The press are trying to come up with a catchy name for this trial.  Someone suggested Elon Gate. but that would be stretching things too far.

[daveAustin]

6 hours ago, racket said:

I hope Musk wins and that Unsworth ends up paying Elon for the stupid comments he made. That would be really fun to see! 

That's a good one. And you wouldn't mind being called a pedo after some rich bloke attempts to cash in on a dire situation while you are busy trying to save the lives of children? Pffft! 

[sawadee1947]

7 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Tesla and spacex shareholders will make enough pressure on him todo that prolly, yes. 

 

Good job mr unsworth, stick it to the rich boy club. 

And then? At the end he wouldn't care about any sentence. 

It's just to fill newspapers, That's all. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, nchuckle said:

Missed the point- you can’t sue someone for what Vernon said (an obtuse insult)but to accuse someone of paedophilia is defamation . Musk will have no realistic option than to settle out of court for substantial damages . That will happen quite quickly now he failed to have it thrown out.

You're right. What Unsworth said was insulting. However, it was not defamatory. Calling someone a pedophile and child rapist is, unless it is true. The burden of proof will be on Musk's lawyers.

[Janner1]

7 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Good job mr unsworth, stick it to the rich boy club. 

                Entirely without prejudice 

 

I think you will find that Mr Unsworth is doing this and rightly so because he was defamed and NOT to “stick it to the rich boy club”

What a stupid inane comment that is. If you can’t be constructive just stay in your narrow minded left wing closet and shut up

 

[RichardL]

1 hour ago, cardinalblue said:

Who cares if you are called a few names? If the caller wasn’t rich, it would end there.....

 

If the caller wasn't rich, it wouldn't have been splashed around the world's media for all to see.

[OWLD FELLER]

7 hours ago, racket said:

I hope Musk wins and that Unsworth ends up paying Elon for the stupid comments he made. That would be really fun to see! 

 

Are you expecting anybody to accept that you were voicing a serious opinion?

 

Musk is an egomaniac who seems to believe his wealth protects him from the law.

 

His settlement with the SEC supports that view.

 

Genius?

 

So far his only achievements appear to involve getting investors to part with their cash - nothing else!

[Hank Gunn]

38 minutes ago, manarak said:

 

Musk rightfully faces legal action for these comments, the only sad thing is that other loudmouthes can get away with insulting others. there should be a fine for all of them.

That's almost hilarious. You list your user type as "gagged free thinker", implying that you're some "free thinker" whose noble ideas are gagged/prohibited by some unknown but powerful, cultural force, yet you cry about people "getting away with insulting others". You go on to say that such people should be fined, just for insulting others.

 

It gets better though. Your .sig says, "JE SUIS CHARLIE ... SEND THE LEGION AGAINST ISIS", the Je suis Charlie (I am Charlie) referencing solidarity with the Charlie Hebdo journalists who were murdered for, wait for it; "insulting others". Oh the hypocrisy!

[Wilsonandson]

 
Are you expecting anybody to accept that you were voicing a serious opinion?
 
Musk is an egomaniac who seems to believe his wealth protects him from the law.
 
His settlement with the SEC supports that view.
 
Genius?
 
So far his only achievements appear to involve getting investors to part with their cash - nothing else!

Oh come on Elon is the most inspiring person on the planet. If anyone is going to get man on Mars it's him.

Now, his tweeting on the other hand is as far as I see his way of letting off steam and enjoying himself. But he does seem to get carried away by it all. I do think he is egged on a bit by his minions that like and retweet everything the guy says.

It suggests to me that maybe the guy although vastly wealthy has few real friends and lives a lonely life at the top. So maybe he's chosen the wrong way to socialise and should try and make some good friends in the Hollywood hills to let out his emotions.

If you want to see a glimpse of the real Elon Musk you should watch the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon. He seems desperately lonely to me.

Not to say calling an innocent man a pedo is justified. It's not, I just think there's more to this than meets the eye.

[Trevor Collins]

9 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

Guess no worries for him because by the time it drags through the US legal/appeal system.  By the time a ruling is finalised he will be living on Mars by then ????

Does Mars have an extradition treaty with the Earth? 

[impulse]

2 hours ago, daveAustin said:

That's a good one. And you wouldn't mind being called a pedo after some rich bloke attempts to cash in on a dire situation while you are busy trying to save the lives of children? Pffft! 

 

You seem to be forgetting that, when Musk started working on his rescue device, they had just ordered several months' of supplies for the boys because the prevailing option was to let them stay in the cave until the dry season.  Had that actually happened, the time in development would have probably yielded something more effective. 

 

Musk didn't know they were going to drug the boys a few days later and risk getting them out that way.

 

Edit:  You characterize it as "a rich bloke cashing in".  I'd call it a "rich guy using some of his wealth and resources to make a genuine effort to help".  That circumstances changed to where his efforts were not successful doesn't change the fact that he made the effort, and spent the cash.