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Chiang Mai tourism is dead! But no one mentions the impact of smog crisis

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3 hours ago, totally thaied up said:

I read a blog the other day about why expats leave to live overseas. For me ten years ago it was for adventure and to make my dollar go further. I saw a lot of SEA and decided Chiang Mai was a clean and cheap place to stay. Now with the AUD in the bin, inflation and the three to four months of smoke, it really has me thinking have I done the right thing. Having to spend three months a year to get away from the smoke has just poured the bucket over the thought of full-time retirement here. Those that stay I find are those that are stuck with families and that must truly suck. Others are apologists that most likely cannot get away from it all. Who really wants to suck that amount of pollution into your lungs. One friend of mine that is not well funded and cannot get away spent two months in his condo this year, not going out at all. The government has to be blind drunk not to see what is going on and this is going to affect the bottom line for a lot of businesses. People are asking me while I am on holidays in Australia how is Chiang Mai now and I just got to tell them not to come during the smokey season. I have no faith at all in hoping they will clean these issues up. It is really a shame what has happened here. The region is just too big to monitor and we have neighbors that burn as well. Nope, not going change. You need a plan B from February onwards if you value your health.

Unfortunately it seems to get worse and longer each year no hope in sight.

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On 5/1/2019 at 6:44 PM, connda said:

"Its the Thai traffic police are in the wrong for trying to stop this?"

 

Lol.  But they are not 'trying to stop this."

They only pulled over motorcycles and let all the cars pass.  You don't understand the nature of the money making activities?  It has nothing to do with enforcement.  These are money generation stations that pick their fruit off of the lowest branches.  Pulling cars over takes up too much room and takes too much time.  Motorcycles are their targets.  Small in size, easy to pull over, quick and easy to process, and if the rider is foreign it's almost a guaranteed 400 THB.  If the government was about enforcement, then if a rider (driver) is unlicensed or without a helmet then their vehicle would be impounded and they forced to walk and it would be illegal for the rental shops to rent a motorcycle to an unlicensed rider in the first place and they should face fines in addition to paying to get their rental vehicles out of impoundment - but it doesn't work that way.  :thumbsup:  Cha-Ching - it's about generating cash flows for the BIB. No license?  No helmet?  Pay a fine and you're on your way.  No problem.  Because it's not about safety or enforcement.
Nobody cares about real traffic enforcement here.  And only the deluded think traffic enforcement is real.  It's not and never will be which is why the roads of carnage are so damn dangerous.  

In the first 9 months of 2017 I figured that I had to stop in excess of 70 times at these checkpoints.  Never got a ticket.  Wonder how many people defending this practice ride scooters and have to put up it. 

 

One Saturday going from the NE corner of the moat to the west beyond Maya they got me three times in the space of about 10 minutes.  Safety? Ya Shurr.

 

Just annoys the crap out of me to have to stop what I'm doing to play the game with them.

 

 

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They will do something because money speaks in Thailand.

And now the whole world knows about the smoking enormous problem in north Thailand, and the pollution all year in Chiang Mai town.

But as usual it will take years.

 

- Easy : law and enforcement against the songthaw and tuk-tuk, amazingly polluting the city, and maybe the diesel cars. Put traffic controls : easy. And solutions, like filters or whatever works.

- Easy : stop being stupid like ending the smoking ban now (that's unbelievable), and stop the mushroom thing too.

- Not so easy (need army i would say) : control the farmers, no more fire !

- Difficult for Thai obviously : learn how to deal with farming waste, and preparation of lands.

- By the way start to control/fine the many trash fire they like to do anywhere in Thailand.

- Very difficult : like Singapore with smoking problem with Indonesia, prepare huge diplomacy to stop the burning from Myanmar and Laos.

 

Will take years if they can realize. 

But yes indeed tourism (and real estate for another example) in the whole north will suffer, media will watch, so money loss will make Thailand address this big issue, somehow... 

 

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It’s the burning of national parks.....what they call arson....the hotspots are everywhere.......hundreds of them , all close to chiangmai.......they burn these parks to get an increased crop of mushrooms that are very expensive, they don’t torch the mountains for fun, it’s all money driven.,,.this trade has really picked up with these mushrooms now in demand in China....The government has to ban the trade, ban the mushroom, or figure a way to cultivate them properly and cheaply....much like they did with Japanese variety mushrooms some years ago........

take away the arson and it wouldn’t nearly be so bad.....they burn all the forests around Mae Hong Son not for spite, but for mushrooms.....this new player in the smog problem needs some attention....

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12 hours ago, Sparkles said:

he Australian dollar reached a 17 yr low against the baht this week.Many Aussies I know would like to get out ,this is not what we signed up for

Yes, I am at home now and it is lovely that a dollar is worth a dollar, all staple food requirements are cheap and most of all, no smoke. Friends sent me photos from Mon Cham and it still showed smoke in the air. I mean, it is May already and it still has not cleared up. I am back next month and do hope the rains have come.

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On 4/30/2019 at 7:54 AM, Bezdomny said:

CM is dead after 1am

So am I.

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On 4/30/2019 at 2:54 PM, Bezdomny said:

CM is dead after 1am, you have seldom place where you can have a beer.

That's because you should be in bed.

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When I first moved to Thailand/Chiang Mai a little over 10 years ago, we bought a nice house in a relatively small, new moo bahn 18 klm south east of the city.. Not much of anything other than rice fields around, and relatively no traffic on Hwy 121 going past us. Smoke in the air was bad 2-3 months a year, but still liveable

 

Fast forward 10 years. Where there was once only 3 moo bans on a 6 klm stretch of road, there are now six. Major Home Improvement and Paint stores appeared as if by magic. 7/11's popped up like mushrooms after a Spring shower. And the traffic tripled. Now they are expanding 121 to 4 lanes, and the traffic has become a nightmare, There have been times we have had to sit and wait for nearly 10 minutes just to pull out of our moo bahn on to 121. It has gotten so bad that that we have discussed selling our house and go looking for a quieter place in Doi Saket. 

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On 4/30/2019 at 5:18 PM, koolkarl said:

BBC news and other noted media clearly noted that Chiang Mai was the most

polluted city in the world.  No wonder tourism is way down and will be for years to come.

A company called Sunshine canceled a 500,000,000 baht retirement community due to pollution.

I have had 2 friends die from lung cancer and after 17 years I have had enough.  Throw in the never

ending immigration issues and you can be your own judge.

A couple of years ago, I returned to Australia for a complete medical check-up.  The cardiologist referred me to a lung specialist, and after some comprehensive testing, he asked me how much I smoked.  I told him the honest truth - it was a single cigarette my neighbour and I had 'borrowed ' from his father at age 12.   

He seemed a bit puzzled until I told him I lived in Chiang Mai, which was heavily polluted 3-4 months of the year, and unregulated diesel-fueled vehicles all year around.  He suggested I give it up, which I eventually did. 😒

 

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We are very aware of the pollution in Thailand (especially in the north). The media and other NGO's have done an excellent job in making the public aware that the country is not the place to visit in the months where smog and other pollutants are around.

 

https://www.unicef.org/thailand/press-releases/unicef-thailand-statement-unhealthy-level-air-pollution-and-its-impact-children

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On 5/1/2019 at 4:05 AM, jak2002003 said:

You are fine with tourists coming to a country, riding a motor bike which they have no licence for and they have never ridden a motor bike in the lives, wearing no helmets or other safety gear, oblivious to any dangers and even worse having their children on there too with no helmets?  Throw in having a few beers at lunch times in before they wobble back on the scooter to the hostel.... this is all good?  Its the Thai traffic police are in the wrong for trying to stop this?

 

If tourists came to your home country and did that would you tell the police not to stop or fine them?  Unbelievable.  

 

some valid points but the truth is the police dont stop the illegal and dangerous activities on the roads. once the 'fine' has been paid the individuals are free to continue as before. sadly the vast majority of the police dont care about protecting and serving the public, they just care about making money.

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On 5/15/2019 at 3:02 PM, Uptooyoo said:

Most Thais I talk to say it is too expensive to adopt European air pollution standards. And when I counter that it is too expensive not to, they look dumbfounded. I explain to them that the expense is paid at the hospital by those who get lung cancer, emphysema, COPD, heart attack, stroke...in addition to the lost revenue from tourism. It seems they can't make the connection that buying a cheap two-stroke motorbike or buying a cheap diesel truck with no emission control systems may have an immediate cost reduction for the buyer but ultimately costs society much more in medical costs, premature deaths; and least important, lost tourism revenue. In resignation, I simply smile and say, "In the west we put filters on our cars, in Asia you put them on your face."

Never try to explain what will happen in the future.

The future doesn't exist.

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