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6 hours ago, OneEyedPie said:

Informative?  Maybe.

 

Complete and utter lunacy to deprive oneself of water for trendy fads?  Absolutely.  

 

Even a monkey wouldn't deprive itself of water so why would a human?

 

How far would you get before severe health complications set in in this weather that's averaging 38 to 40°C during the day.  Absolute ding dong post and nothing I'd want to associate myself with other than to condemn this nonsense in no uncertain terms.

 

Sorry but I can't say nothing else on this occasion, OP.

 

 

A water fast is a fast  where you consume only water; you do not abstain from drinking water.  Don't be so obtuse for god's sake LOL!

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5 hours ago, cooked said:

At the age of 71 I don't think I'll be fasting for longer than 24 hours in the future, any loss in muscle mass is difficult to recuperate with older people even though I am ready for resistance training. 

Having reached my weight loss plateau after 6 months on Keto, all biometrics OK apparently. I plan on a monthly 24 hour fast (water fast) in the future, although I am slowly coming round to the idea that intermittent fasting is the way to go. I do watch my calories and consuming 50 gm of macademia nuts put me up to my calory level at midday already, so next meal tomorrow morning.

Unlike a calorie-restricted diet where you can lose significant muscle, loss of muscle during a water fast is negligible due to ketosis.  Unlike a ketogenic diet, fasting results in release of growth hormone, which results in any muscle loss being compensated for once you resume eating with a little bit of resistance training in the gym.

 

Many people in your age group who have advanced stage diabetes have successfully fasted for weeks in order to control or even reverse diabetes, and they've done it with negligible muscle loss (Google Dr. Jason Fung).

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6 hours ago, OneEyedPie said:

You haven't answered the crucial question, WaveHunter.

 

How far would you get before severe health complications set in in this weather that's averaging 38 to 40°C during the day?

I just completed a five day water fast here in Pattaya (ending last Sunday), and as part of this fast I did daily 6km runs in the afternoon with no ill effects from hot outdoor temperatures in that range. 

 

Being in a fasted state has no effect on the body's ability to maintain a homeostatic thermogenic state as long as you stay well hydrated.

 

Normally when I have fasted in the past I stayed sedentary since that is the conventional wisdom, but on this fast I wanted to see the effects of moderate exercise on improving resting metabolic rate while fasting, and it worked out well. 

 

The body has a lot more resilience and ability to adapt than we realize!  Itt actually thrives on stresses like heat, cold, ...and being in a fasted state 🙂

 

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3 hours ago, villagefarang said:

I usually follow an IF schedule of 20/4.  I have done a few 72 hour fasts and several 48 hour fasts.  I have lost 10 kilos and put on muscle by lifting weights.  I feel better and look better, all without out any of the study and research the OP insists is absolutely essential.

 

I find the attitude used to express his opinions and the insistence that things must be done his way, very off-putting.  I say people are free to do as they wish as long as they don't force their views on others.  I get a very dopey guru vibe reading these kinds of posts.

I'm not going to get into a silly debate with you.  This thread is for people who are interested in discussing the SCIENCE underlying fasting and keto-adaptation, not simply dieting to loose a few pounds.

 

If that's not you, and you have nothing positive or constructive to contribute to the thread...that's fine. 

 

I'm sure that ignorance can be bliss for some people.  That's not meant to be mean-spirited; there's nothing wrong with just following someone else's prescribed diet to loose a few pounds if that's all you are interested in.  However, this thread is NOT about dieting; it is about health issue that go far beyond loosing a few pounds, and some people want to explore this subject on a deeper, more scientific basis.  This thread is for those kind of people.

 

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17 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

I'm not going to get into a silly debate with you.  This thread is for people who are interested in discussing the SCIENCE underlying fasting and keto-adaptation. 

 

If that's not you, and you have nothing positive or constructive to contribute to the thread...fine.  I'm sure that ignorance can be bliss for some people.  Other people want to explore things a little deeper.  This thread is for those kind of people.

 

After all that water No libido loss?

 

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we are all gonna die, whether we like it or not and wheter we try to avoid it or not.

 

So I am dying on 7 days a week of food, with maybe a prime rib here and there

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I come from a country where "Hunger Strikes" by prisoners are a true and tried and traditional method of achieving a certain result. I never heard of them doing any good for a person's body.

PS. They were made to drink water to keep them from dying.

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The passionate proselytizing of one's own "physical practices" ... most often involving unusual self-discipline, even asceticism ... by those without (visible) medical and scientific credentials as ... barely camouflaged panaceas ... restorative elixirs ... etc.

 

Occurs frequently on these forums; such hosanna's of personal triumph over aging and various complaints most often contain a thinly veiled implication that: "since it worked for me, it will work for you."

 

I find them interesting; I also see them, on one level as manifestations of what I have come to call "Farang Grandiosity Syndrome" (FGS).

 

I find I respect the fact that WaveHunter has worked out his own system of health optimization, and, I don't doubt it has improved the quality of his life.

 

The problem I have is that these personal recipes don't take into account genetic/metabolic variation, and the unique context/history of the individual.

 

This human body I inhabit has a remarkable ability to resist cold, to swim happily in water that would turn most people blue ... probably genetic. An ice-bath that would leave me in a state of ecstasy would probably kill other people.

 

imho, rigorous research (long-term, control group) on the whole "keto" thing is not there yet.

 

... to your health ... mens sana in corpore sano ...

 

~o:37;

 

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5 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

This thread is for people who are interested in discussing the SCIENCE underlying fasting and keto-adaptation, not simply dieting to loose a few pounds.

 

Great, please lead the way into ... the science.

 

~o:37;

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18 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

My interest in metabolic sciences started over twenty years ago and it took me a long time to wade through all the mis-information and half-truths, as well as learn the basic underlying sciences which in itself is a daunting task since it is all in flux, and what was true one day becomes outdated the next.

And what is your educational background that gave you the abilities to wade through the mis-information and half-truths?

Where did you get your PhD in nutritional science and on what subject exactly?

 

Or are you just a member of a Facebook-group about this subject where everyone is saying "autophagy" (which is about cellular biology, not about health, nutrition, or weight loss) and people blindly follow Jason Fung (a kidney disease doctor with no training or education in nutritional science)? 

 

I smell the Dunning-Kruger effect very strongly, but really hope you got a PhD in nutritional science and can proof me wrong.

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I started intermittent fasting back in February.  The reason I started was simple, I am 185 cm tall (6 foot) and my waistline had grown to 34" (and edging closer to 35-36 I guess). 
I was invited to a black tie event and was looking forward to being able to dress smart.  The only problem was my evening dress trousers had a 32" waist.  I thought maybe they had some adjustment or I'd be able to squeeze into them, but when I tried there was no way I was going to be able to do them up.   I was forced to wear a regular black suit which was fine as there were other people also not wearing proper black tie, but the fact I couldn't fit into my own clothes was a big alarm.   

So I decided to do something about it.  First step was to cut out all bread, pasta and rice.  Then I started cutting down on beer carbs by switching from Beer Lao or Asahi to only drinking San Mig Light (I've now gone further and switched to just drinking Soda water and the occasional Vodka Soda).

Then I started intermittent fasting on the OMAD plan (OMAD - One Meal a Day).   I only eat one meal per 24 hours.   

I get up between 8 am and 9 am and have a cup of black coffee (Nescafe Red Cup Instant), then I drink a large glass of water with a berroca tablet.   Throughout the day I only drink water.   Then around 5:30 I cook myself a meal which consists of at least 250-300 g of protein, either pork (grilled) or chicken (poached), a head of broccoli (steamed) or other green vegetables (either steamed or lightly sauteed).  I also take a multivitamin and mineral supplement with my meal.   

I've recently started swimming and doing some basic body weight exercises and a few sets of exercises with free weights.   

I was 82 kgs and I'm now 70 kgs - a loss of 12 kgs in approx 12 weeks.   And of course I can easily fit into jeans and trousers with a 32" waist

 

I noticed I felt more mental clarity within about a week of starting the new diet, I also found I slept better and had more energy in the mornings.

During my teens, 20's and 30's I was nice and slim, it was only as I got into my 40's that I started to get a bit of a belly.   That is now gone and I've got the beginning of a nice flat stomach. not yet quite like I had in my 20's and 30's but getting there.  

The other great thing about it is I have a bunch of nice slim fit shirts and a few pairs of jeans which I haven't been able to wear for a couple of years and which now fit perfectly, it's as if I've upgraded my wardrobe and friends have complimented me asking if I've bought new clothes

I'm pretty sure I'm going to continue this OMAD lifestyle, I definitely feel better for changing up my diet and being able to buy and wear stylish clothes is a huge bonus.

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14 hours ago, OneEyedPie said:

Informative?  Maybe.

 

Complete and utter lunacy to deprive oneself of water for trendy fads?  Absolutely.  

 

Even a monkey wouldn't deprive itself of water so why would a human?

 

How far would you get before severe health complications set in in this weather that's averaging 38 to 40°C during the day.  Absolute ding dong post and nothing I'd want to associate myself with other than to condemn this nonsense in no uncertain terms.

 

Sorry but I can't say nothing else on this occasion, OP.

 

 

 

You've just demonstrated a complete lack of comprehension.   Where did the OP mention depriving oneself of water?   

A water fast means only consuming water, instead of eating food.   

 

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