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BANGKOK 18 June 2019 15:58
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Water Only Fasting...Should you do it / How should you do it.

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I just lurve those faddy Merkins.

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6 hours ago, OneEyedPie said:

Informative?  Maybe.

 

Complete and utter lunacy to deprive oneself of water for trendy fads?  Absolutely.  

 

Even a monkey wouldn't deprive itself of water so why would a human?

 

How far would you get before severe health complications set in in this weather that's averaging 38 to 40°C during the day.  Absolute ding dong post and nothing I'd want to associate myself with other than to condemn this nonsense in no uncertain terms.

 

Sorry but I can't say nothing else on this occasion, OP.

 

 

A water fast is a fast  where you consume only water; you do not abstain from drinking water.  Don't be so obtuse for god's sake LOL!

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5 hours ago, cooked said:

At the age of 71 I don't think I'll be fasting for longer than 24 hours in the future, any loss in muscle mass is difficult to recuperate with older people even though I am ready for resistance training. 

Having reached my weight loss plateau after 6 months on Keto, all biometrics OK apparently. I plan on a monthly 24 hour fast (water fast) in the future, although I am slowly coming round to the idea that intermittent fasting is the way to go. I do watch my calories and consuming 50 gm of macademia nuts put me up to my calory level at midday already, so next meal tomorrow morning.

Unlike a calorie-restricted diet where you can lose significant muscle, loss of muscle during a water fast is negligible due to ketosis.  Unlike a ketogenic diet, fasting results in release of growth hormone, which results in any muscle loss being compensated for once you resume eating with a little bit of resistance training in the gym.

 

Many people in your age group who have advanced stage diabetes have successfully fasted for weeks in order to control or even reverse diabetes, and they've done it with negligible muscle loss (Google Dr. Jason Fung).

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6 hours ago, OneEyedPie said:

You haven't answered the crucial question, WaveHunter.

 

How far would you get before severe health complications set in in this weather that's averaging 38 to 40°C during the day?

I just completed a five day water fast here in Pattaya (ending last Sunday), and as part of this fast I did daily 6km runs in the afternoon with no ill effects from hot outdoor temperatures in that range. 

 

Being in a fasted state has no effect on the body's ability to maintain a homeostatic thermogenic state as long as you stay well hydrated.

 

Normally when I have fasted in the past I stayed sedentary since that is the conventional wisdom, but on this fast I wanted to see the effects of moderate exercise on improving resting metabolic rate while fasting, and it worked out well. 

 

The body has a lot more resilience and ability to adapt than we realize!  Itt actually thrives on stresses like heat, cold, ...and being in a fasted state 🙂

 

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3 hours ago, villagefarang said:

I usually follow an IF schedule of 20/4.  I have done a few 72 hour fasts and several 48 hour fasts.  I have lost 10 kilos and put on muscle by lifting weights.  I feel better and look better, all without out any of the study and research the OP insists is absolutely essential.

 

I find the attitude used to express his opinions and the insistence that things must be done his way, very off-putting.  I say people are free to do as they wish as long as they don't force their views on others.  I get a very dopey guru vibe reading these kinds of posts.

I'm not going to get into a silly debate with you.  This thread is for people who are interested in discussing the SCIENCE underlying fasting and keto-adaptation, not simply dieting to loose a few pounds.

 

If that's not you, and you have nothing positive or constructive to contribute to the thread...that's fine. 

 

I'm sure that ignorance can be bliss for some people.  That's not meant to be mean-spirited; there's nothing wrong with just following someone else's prescribed diet to loose a few pounds if that's all you are interested in.  However, this thread is NOT about dieting; it is about health issue that go far beyond loosing a few pounds, and some people want to explore this subject on a deeper, more scientific basis.  This thread is for those kind of people.

 

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17 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

I'm not going to get into a silly debate with you.  This thread is for people who are interested in discussing the SCIENCE underlying fasting and keto-adaptation. 

 

If that's not you, and you have nothing positive or constructive to contribute to the thread...fine.  I'm sure that ignorance can be bliss for some people.  Other people want to explore things a little deeper.  This thread is for those kind of people.

 

After all that water No libido loss?

 

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Sounds too me that you’re overdoing the fasting.

what ur height and weight?

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I come from a country where "Hunger Strikes" by prisoners are a true and tried and traditional method of achieving a certain result. I never heard of them doing any good for a person's body.

PS. They were made to drink water to keep them from dying.

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The passionate proselytizing of one's own "physical practices" ... most often involving unusual self-discipline, even asceticism ... by those without (visible) medical and scientific credentials as ... barely camouflaged panaceas ... restorative elixirs ... etc.

 

Occurs frequently on these forums; such hosanna's of personal triumph over aging and various complaints most often contain a thinly veiled implication that: "since it worked for me, it will work for you."

 

I find them interesting; I also see them, on one level as manifestations of what I have come to call "Farang Grandiosity Syndrome" (FGS).

 

I find I respect the fact that WaveHunter has worked out his own system of health optimization, and, I don't doubt it has improved the quality of his life.

 

The problem I have is that these personal recipes don't take into account genetic/metabolic variation, and the unique context/history of the individual.

 

This human body I inhabit has a remarkable ability to resist cold, to swim happily in water that would turn most people blue ... probably genetic. An ice-bath that would leave me in a state of ecstasy would probably kill other people.

 

imho, rigorous research (long-term, control group) on the whole "keto" thing is not there yet.

 

... to your health ... mens sana in corpore sano ...

 

~o:37;

 

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5 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

This thread is for people who are interested in discussing the SCIENCE underlying fasting and keto-adaptation, not simply dieting to loose a few pounds.

 

Great, please lead the way into ... the science.

 

~o:37;

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14 hours ago, OneEyedPie said:

Informative?  Maybe.

 

Complete and utter lunacy to deprive oneself of water for trendy fads?  Absolutely.  

 

Even a monkey wouldn't deprive itself of water so why would a human?

 

How far would you get before severe health complications set in in this weather that's averaging 38 to 40°C during the day.  Absolute ding dong post and nothing I'd want to associate myself with other than to condemn this nonsense in no uncertain terms.

 

Sorry but I can't say nothing else on this occasion, OP.

 

 

 

You've just demonstrated a complete lack of comprehension.   Where did the OP mention depriving oneself of water?   

A water fast means only consuming water, instead of eating food.   

 

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all doctors tell you to drink lot water when you wake to flush out kidneys ,so no water kidney failure /????

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