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We need to remember Thailand is a backward 3rd world country. The tribes people who cause these fires are uneducated and mostly poor. The powers that be are underfunded and lack the means to deal with the situation. Apathy at the top prevails...the smog will never stop in our life time...it's being going on for decades. If you can afford too - go south in the smog months, after all, one life, live it...you may live longer. It's certainly given me the impetus to get off my backside and visit neighbouring countries next year...where the air is clean. The smog situation has taken the shine off my love of Thailand...this wasn't how my retirement was meant to pan out...if I stay in Chiang Mai/Rai during the smog months, I will surely lose a few years of my life. 

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7 hours ago, webfact said:

Medical study links smog in North with rising cases of respiratory diseases

I wonder how many millions of THB were doled out to "Experts" in order to come up with the astute observation?  <head-shake>  

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7 hours ago, donnacha said:

As I always try to warn people, the North of Thailand is a very special place but under no circumstances should anyone with options stay there between mid-January and the end of April.

Make that "Late May" and you're closer to the truth - at least this year.  

 

However, you can stay.  But -- like my family, you spend the majority of our time inside the house with air conditioners and HEPA filters running 24/7 - probably much like most politicians and 'leaders' do when visiting the the North to 'assess the problem.'  When you head outside you don a N95 particulate filtering mask.  

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2 minutes ago, Bert Jones said:

The tribes people who cause these fires are uneducated and mostly poor. The powers that be are underfunded and lack the means to deal with the situation. Apathy at the top prevails...the smog will never stop in our life time...it's being going on for decades. If you can afford too - go south in the smog months, after all, one life, live it...you may live longer. It's certainly given me the impetus to get off my backside and visit neighbouring countries next year...where the air is clean. The smog situation has taken the shine off my love of Thailand...this wasn't how my retirement was meant to pan out...if I stay in Chiang Mai/Rai during the smog months, I will surely lose a few years of my life. 

That is your opinion, blame the uneducated hill tribes, based on..... facts?

 

You don't consider into the equation:

 

Thai farmers burning the vast amount of rice fields, sugarcane and other farmland

Thai people burning of rubbish, litter, plastics etc

Massive increase in cars, and other road traffic in Chiang Mai,

Thai households constantly burning leaves, branches and other garden waste,

Thai people burning land to clear it.

The massive increase in construction work and land development

Big increase in Air traffic.

Increase in electricity consumption leading to increase in pollution from powerplants. 

 

Just blame the poor hill tribe people up on the mountain....  

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, webfact said:

Even though the report did not confirm a clear connection between the high mortality rate from respiratory diseases

...because to do so would become a huge loss of face to the leaders in Thailand who would rather ignore the problem.  When it comes to losing face as opposed to allowing your citizens to die from PM2.5 smog exposure - you toss the citizens under the bus.

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2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Noticed that as well.  It's also prevalent down in Rayong/Pattaya. 

Yes. Pattaya no big surprise, but nightlife in the north is more subdued.

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Jak, indeed there are many factors contributing to the smog...but when I look to the mountains, there are no rice fields or vehicles up there, just smoke pouring out...the mountains are blazing! 

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21 minutes ago, Bert Jones said:

We need to remember Thailand is a backward 3rd world country. The tribes people who cause these fires are uneducated and mostly poor. The powers that be are underfunded and lack the means to deal with the situation. Apathy at the top prevails...the smog will never stop in our life time...it's being going on for decades. If you can afford too - go south in the smog months, after all, one life, live it...you may live longer. It's certainly given me the impetus to get off my backside and visit neighbouring countries next year...where the air is clean. The smog situation has taken the shine off my love of Thailand...this wasn't how my retirement was meant to pan out...if I stay in Chiang Mai/Rai during the smog months, I will surely lose a few years of my life. 

Personally I don’t think it’s worth it. Apart from reduced life span you also have to endure many miserable days wearing a face mask. The islands of the south are probably your best bet.

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wow, another THAI break-thru in the world ...who would have thought that pollution is linked to disease

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The only way this will be addressed by the incompetents in charge is if the tourism is impacted. I can't believe that none of the travel industry can be held accountable for sending unsuspecting tourists to an area with dangerous levels of air pollution. Maybe a few litigation cases might focus the industry enough to suspend tourism during those months, watch the Thai reaction then...

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I’ve been in ChaMai for the past 8 months. The pollution/smog from burning forests is now in its 3rd month. They are still burning today and the smog was worse this morning than the past weeks. It’s clear that this is a total abuse of the Thai landscape and is causing serious illness to those that reside in the north. 

 

Its claimed that this is the worst year! This is alarming but more damaging is just how badly and rife with corruption the legal and political system is ignoring this total abuse of its natural reserves. From my understanding the problem stems from mushrooms harvests and sale to China (for the most part at least). Locals burning are just trying to survive and this provides a boost of income to them, but the controlled markets are buying and selling internationally with vast profits via corrupt payouts probably to politicians and law figures. The corrupt profit to a select few is a ten fold loss to businesses,  tourism and the people of the north. 

 

I was In the final stages of buying land to build a house and raise a family here in CM. This blatant lack of regard and selfish greed by select few has turned me to drop the idea that Thailand is a safe place to live. This is a simple problem to solve. The political system should be embarrassed by its own blatant ignorance. 

 

Corruption is ugly in all its forms. No one wins in the end, even those filling their dirty hands with gold. It’s the worst form of cancer that kills the progression of society. It’s been 2 weeks since the Political leader visited CM for half a day and gave the command “you have seven days to clean this up”. Zero action has been taken. Solutions are obvious. Ban the sale of these mushrooms with hard strict consequences. 

 

I love thailand and it’s people, I hope it finds a solution and soon.

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6 hours ago, wisperone said:

"No idea why HIV is more prevalent in the north of Thailand (looks like CM/CR)?"

 

I would guess non protection and perhaps drug/needle transmission

Interesting indeed, but bear in mind this is where many of the bar girls and boys come from to earn money for their families whilst working the southern resorts. They become infected and pass on to friends and possibly families on their return via unprotected sex and/or dirty needles (as mentioned). How many of you farangs have had to make a trek north to Lanna or Issan to "meet the family"?

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57 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

That is your opinion, blame the uneducated hill tribes, based on..... facts?

 

You don't consider into the equation:

 

Thai farmers burning the vast amount of rice fields, sugarcane and other farmland

Thai people burning of rubbish, litter, plastics etc

Massive increase in cars, and other road traffic in Chiang Mai,

Thai households constantly burning leaves, branches and other garden waste,

Thai people burning land to clear it.

The massive increase in construction work and land development

Big increase in Air traffic.

Increase in electricity consumption leading to increase in pollution from powerplants. 

 

Just blame the poor hill tribe people up on the mountain....  

 

 

 

I’m not certain he was blaming the hill tribes more pointing to a fact that they are among the people who are starting the fires. I agree your list of other forms are contributing to the problem, but these are year round issues. Majority of the smog is bush/forrest fires, proven by how the pollution has a dramatic rise at certain parts of the year.

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Posted (edited)

along with that OP.....Breaking news! Riding a bike with no helmet in Thailand increases mortality risk. 🤣  None cares!  If anyone did, we wouldn't have this problem. 

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3 hours ago, Tracyb said:

How many people have to be stricken or die before the govt takes action

Considering that there's 60-70 fatalities/day in traffic, I'd guess maybe 150 deaths per day, could make them to do something about it.

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