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Italian expat faces recklessness causing death charge over fatal boat collision

By Tanyaluk Sakoot

 

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Rawai fisherman San Malee, 74, later died from injuries sustained in the collision. Photo: Eakkapop Thongtub

 

PHUKET:-- The Italian expat involved in a boat collision over the Songkran Thai New Year holidays that resulted in the death of a 74-year-old Thai fisherman has been charged with recklessness causing death, police have confirmed.
 

The Italian, Giorgio Nastri, 64, was involved in the collision between his boat and a longtail being operated by 74-year-old Rawai resident San Malee off Koh Bon, off Phuket’s southeast coast, on the morning of Apr 14.

 

Mr San was brought ashore and rushed to hospital.


Full Story: https://www.thephuketnews.com/italian-expat-faces-recklessness-causing-death-charge-over-fatal-boat-collision-71373.php#CPUq91P5AH45yxgK.97

 

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I don't see anything in the OP article in the way of facts or description that would give even the slightest clue of who was actually at fault in this boats collision. 

 

And yet, the surviving farang boat guy has been charged with recklessness causing death.  If his conduct really was reckless, how about some facts or evidence that actually supports that notion?

 

In the absence of that, it's just the all-to-commonplace "stick it to the farang" approach...because he/they have money to pay and this is our country, not theirs.

 

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6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I don't see anything in the OP article in the way of facts or description that would give even the slightest clue of who was actually at fault in this boats collision. 

 

And yet, the surviving farang boat guy has been charged with recklessness causing death.  If his conduct really was reckless, how about some facts or evidence that actually supports that notion?

 

In the absence of that, it's just the all-to-commonplace "stick it to the farang" approach...because he/they have money to pay and this is our country, not theirs.

 

The Italian seems to have a yacht/boat that should have the right instruments to see other vehicles on the ocean while he's steering his craft. You can hardly blame the poor fisherman for not having any nautical instruments on board, can you? 

 

   Anyway, you can/must call it recklessness driving/steering when his boat hits a much smaller one.

 

   What chance would an older man have not to get hit by a much bigger and heavier boat? The Italian was of course not trying to kill anybody, and he just wanted to enjoy his hobby.

 

   Besides the 200 K for the hospital, the family is also asking for 1.5 million baht compensation for the poor bloke's death.

 

     It was a preventable accident, not knowing the law on the oceans, but I'd think that you should always be aware of what's in front of you. 

 

     

 

  

 

   

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9 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

   Anyway, you can/must call it recklessness driving/steering when his boat hits a much smaller one.

 

Who hit who, and from what points on the boats???   I don't think the article actually details that....

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12 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

The Italian seems to have a yacht/boat that should have the right instruments to see other vehicles on the ocean while he's steering his craft. You can hardly blame the poor fisherman for not having any nautical instruments on board, can you? 

 

   Anyway, you can/must call it recklessness driving/steering when his boat hits a much smaller one.

 

   What chance would an older man have not to get hit by a much bigger and heavier boat? The Italian was of course not trying to kill anybody, and he just wanted to enjoy his hobby.

 

   Besides the 200 K for the hospital, the family is also asking for 1.5 million baht compensation for the poor bloke's death.

 

     It was a preventable accident, not knowing the law on the oceans, but I'd think that you should always be aware of what's in front of you. 

 

     

 

  

 

   

What instruments will detect a wooden boat and send out a screaming alarm ? you cant be serious there is no such thing or the mega ships would be using them instead of running over small boats in shipping lanes

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1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I don't see anything in the OP article in the way of facts or description that would give even the slightest clue of who was actually at fault in this boats collision. //

 

51 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Who hit who, and from what points on the boats???   I don't think the article actually details that.... //

On one side you have a not so big but fast fishing boat :

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On the other side you have a slow low wooden rowing boat !

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And members asking who hit who ??? :blink:

 

Navigations rules say that the boat overtaking another must change its route to avoid collision, and in crossings a motor boat must give way to less maneuverable boats.

 

We don't know details, but in open sea a motor boat is usually at fault if collision with a rowing or sailing boat.

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10 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

 

We don't know details, but in open sea a motor boat is usually at fault if collision with a rowing or sailing boat.

 

Exactly my point... "Usually" ought not be the basis for bringing a criminal charge of causing death against someone. There ought to be fact and details that support it, and yet, nothing such supplied in the OP article.

 

If the police believe and are saying that the faster moving fishing boat plowed into the smaller, slower moving Thai boat, then they ought to say so...  But they aren't and haven't said that.... at least based on the OP article.

 

Where was the damage to the motored fishing boat... on the front end... on the side... from the articles, there seems to be no mention.

 

I'm not trying to argue the farang guy is innocent or blameless. But if he's guilty, at least give me something to hang that allegation on...
 

 

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15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Exactly my point... "Usually" ought not be the basis for bringing a criminal charge of causing death against someone. There ought to be fact and details that support it, and yet, nothing such supplied in the OP article.

 

If the police believe and are saying that the faster moving fishing boat plowed into the smaller, slower moving Thai boat, then they ought to say so...  But they aren't and haven't said that.... at least based on the OP article.

 

Where was the damage to the motored fishing boat... on the front end... on the side... from the articles, there seems to be no mention.

 

I'm not trying to argue the farang guy is innocent or blameless. But if he's guilty, at least give me something to hang that allegation on...
 

 

Maybe you could come down here and investigate. I'll swap you for the next farang involved case in Bangkok.

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31 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

If the police believe and are saying that the faster moving fishing boat plowed into the smaller, slower moving Thai boat, then they ought to say so...  But they aren't and haven't said that.... at least based on the OP article.

I really fail to imagine any other scenario... :mellow:

This kind of heavy wooden boat does not go fast and cannot change of route quickly either, mainly when a 74 years old man is at the oars !

 

Any motor boat should have navigated far from it, by changing slightly its route long before crossing it, but of course that requires that someone was looking where the fast boat was going... and so many times I have seen all people at the back and nobody at the helm :angry: (and not in Thailand only...)

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From another linked article:

 

The fisherman, 74-year-old Rawai resident San Mali, was brought to Chalong Pier, where an ambulance was waiting to rush him to the Accident & Emergency Centre at the yet-to-open Chalong Hospital.

 

Mr San was later transferred to Vachira Phuket Hospital in Phuket Town.

 

Can't help but wonder if the outcome would have been different had they brought him to an open hospital first.

 

I'm also wondering who'll be in jail longer.  This guy, or the other 2 Italians banged up for just fishing?

 

I'm also wondering if it happened in the dark.  The accident was apparently reported at 10:30 AM, but no indication of the time it happened.

 

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4 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

I really fail to imagine any other scenario... :mellow:

This kind of heavy wooden boat does not go fast and cannot change of route quickly either, mainly when a 74 years old man is at the oars !

 

Any motor boat should have navigated far from it, by changing slightly its route long before crossing it, but of course that requires that someone was looking where the fast boat was going... and so many times I have seen all people at the back and nobody at the helm :angry: (and not in Thailand only...)

 

I would like to have a close look at the "rowing boat".

 

I suspect that the oars were used for maneuvering "on station" and that underneath that large chunky tiller is attached a small, steerable, motor.....for transit to/from the fishing ground.

 

If that is the case then the fishing boat could have been under power at the time, with the oars attached to the rowlocks and the blades resting inside the boat (as is the starboard oar in the photo).

 

Closer inspection needed before this becomes a simple case of powered not giving way to unpowered.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, madmen said:

What instruments will detect a wooden boat and send out a screaming alarm ? you cant be serious there is no such thing or the mega ships would be using them instead of running over small boats in shipping lanes

In other words the Italian should have been keeping a manual / visual check on what's around him.

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