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Italian expat faces recklessness causing death charge over fatal boat collision

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gunderhill Gold Member

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12 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

 Anyway, you can/must call it recklessness driving/steering when his boat hits a much smaller one.

That's the Thai lame excuse motorcycles use, how about for once they actually accept responsibility for their  actions?

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justin case Silver Member

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12 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

The Italian seems to have a yacht/boat that should have the right instruments to see other vehicles on the ocean while he's steering his craft. You can hardly blame the poor fisherman for not having any nautical instruments on board, can you? 

 

   Anyway, you can/must call it recklessness driving/steering when his boat hits a much smaller one.

 

   What chance would an older man have not to get hit by a much bigger and heavier boat? The Italian was of course not trying to kill anybody, and he just wanted to enjoy his hobby.

 

   Besides the 200 K for the hospital, the family is also asking for 1.5 million baht compensation for the poor bloke's death.

 

     It was a preventable accident, not knowing the law on the oceans, but I'd think that you should always be aware of what's in front of you. 

 

     

 

  

 

   

why would a life be worth more than what government wanted to pay for the dead people on  a recent bus crash ? => 50.000 baht MAX

 

at 74 he was at the end of the line ... did he work so much to support his family (all handicapped and disabled to work for themselves?)

 

farang = let's ask whatever we want and see of the nice THAI judge will follow

 

always ask much more than expected

 

 

 

 

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Old Croc Star Member

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Some unbelievable posts from the falang apologists here!

The incident happened nearly a month ago and was widely discussed in another thread at the time.

Now, after a full investigation and interviews, the authorities have decided to lay charges against the Italian. It's a pity they didn't lay out all the evidence on TVF before doing so, to allow the expert members to give their reasoned judgements first, but surprisingly, they rarely do this!

The basic facts are clear, no matter how much some people here want to fantasize. There was one occupant on each boat, the Italian had a modern small powered fishing vessel and the traditional fisherman a wooden boat with oars (no hidden engines). The accident happened within rowing distance from shore. The powered boat did not have multiple helms nor forward scanning sonar(?).  Perhaps a radar unit may have picked up the other vessel, if he had been monitoring it, but simply keeping a visual lookout would have prevented the collision.  It's always advisable to have another set of eyes on a boat. 

Incidentally, the Chalong Hospital has not yet opened, but the separate A&E center has ben operating for 2 years and no doubt has saved many lives, not contributed to deaths.

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22 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Some unbelievable posts from the falang apologists here!

The incident happened nearly a month ago and was widely discussed in another thread at the time.

Now, after a full investigation and interviews, the authorities have decided to lay charges against the Italian. It's a pity they didn't lay out all the evidence on TVF before doing so, to allow the expert members to give their reasoned judgements first, but surprisingly, they rarely do this!

The basic facts are clear, no matter how much some people here want to fantasize. There was one occupant on each boat, the Italian had a modern small powered fishing vessel and the traditional fisherman a wooden boat with oars (no hidden engines). The accident happened within rowing distance from shore. The powered boat did not have multiple helms nor forward scanning sonar(?).  Perhaps a radar unit may have picked up the other vessel, if he had been monitoring it, but simply keeping a visual lookout would have prevented the collision.  It's always advisable to have another set of eyes on a boat. 

Incidentally, the Chalong Hospital has not yet opened, but the separate A&E center has ben operating for 2 years and no doubt has saved many lives, not contributed to deaths.

Nicely said. I was going to write something about how so many people here 1) are assuming that the Italian is being railroaded (stitched up) and 2) are expecting a news article to include all the details needed in a court of law. But you more effectively countered with the actual facts of the case. Yes, sometimes when there is an 'incident' between a farang and a Thai, it's the farang who is in the wrong...  

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11 hours ago, JimSaints said:

Another case of blaming the foreigner who has money they can extort from him - all about money and not about who is actually to blame

What a stupid comment!!! It were much more intelligent if you check the maritim law before you write stupid things.

 

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13 hours ago, madmen said:

What instruments will detect a wooden boat and send out a screaming alarm ? you cant be serious there is no such thing or the mega ships would be using them instead of running over small boats in shipping lanes


The Mark I eyeball usually works.

That's why all boats must have a 24-hour watch. Period. Without it, you won't get insurance and then, theoretically, you shouldn't put to sea. 

There are 'rules of the road' and need to be complied with. They're designed to avoid this very thing.

Whether either party knew about these actual rules or not is kinda irrelevant (but they should); both parties should have done everything possible to avoid collision. 

“I am still waiting for the forensic police to conclude their investigation. That may take about a month. They are very busy but said they would try to complete their investigation as soon as possible,” Capt Somkiet said.
 

  • Were both boats power-boats and both under power? (Power gives way to sail - or row boat).
  • What angle were they to each other? (Red gives way to green)
  • and so on.

 

Lot of information we don't know about.

 

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Okay, just seen the other comments and updates.

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13 hours ago, Aussieroaming said:

I wonder who was actually at fault and whether either had their maritime licence. One thing guaranteed is that the Italian is guilty unless he was squeaky clean and can prove it.

 

 

Maritime licence, LOL.

Since when was a licence required for cars, m'bikes or boats for a farang to hire in LOS?

At least you probably got the last sentence right.

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13 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Who hit who, and from what points on the boats???   I don't think the article actually details that....

Can see from the photo posted the boat was collided taking in water. It is not a motorized boat so shouldn’t be the one colliding . Compensation is for the family to have closure and not pursue the case any more. 1.6 million for loss of life is cheap and affordable. The alternative is much worse. 

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11 minutes ago, Odisan said:


The Mark I eyeball usually works.

 

That's why all boats must have a 24-hour watch. Period.
Without it, you won't get insurance and then, theoretically, you shouldn't put to sea. 

There are 'rules of the road' and need to be complied with. They're designed to avoid this very thing.

Whether either party knew about these actual rules or not is kinda irrelevant (but they should); both parties should have done everything possible to avoid collision. 

“I am still waiting for the forensic police to conclude their investigation. That may take about a month. They are very busy but said they would try to complete their investigation as soon as possible,” Capt Somkiet said.

  • Were both boats power-boats and both under power? (Power gives way to sail - or row boat).
  • What angle were they to each other? (Red gives way to green)
  • and so on.

 

Lot of information we don't know about.

 

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Okay, just seen the other comments and updates.

 

"That's why all boats must have a 24-hour watch. Period."

 

Rule number 5 also states that you must keep a look out by hearing, yet plenty of boats out there with fully enclosed bridges, including pilots, lifeboats, customs, etc.  Clearly the rules are not followed to the letter or we would not be able to have solo sailers, the truth is, people train themselves ro be able to keep watch to the degree necessary without actually being on deck watching all the time.  Not that this applies to this on shore case.

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1 hour ago, gunderhill said:

That's the Thai lame excuse motorcycles use, how about for once they actually accept responsibility for their  actions?

 

How about the guy with the motorboat accepts maritime law and gives way to boats approaching from the starboard side?  Nothing to do with which boat was bigger, all have same responsibility, but if you hit someone on the starboard, its much like rear ending in a car, automatic blame attribution.

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Kieran00001 Explorer Member

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7 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 


Exactly, you can run the boat from the tower (not me) or run the boat while you’re on fish, no need to take turns...

 

 

Yeah, could be a lot safer for some people, pulling lobster pots for instance, however I can also imagine it in the wrong hands, the motor cruiser owner with his feet up and a beer in his hand watching a bit of TV.

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Yeah, could be a lot safer for some people, pulling lobster pots for instance, however I can also imagine it in the wrong hands, the motor cruiser owner with his feet up and a beer in his hand watching a bit of TV.


Always a few that ruin it for everyone...
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14 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

 

On one side you have a not so big but fast fishing boat :

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On the other side you have a slow low wooden rowing boat !

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And members asking who hit who ??? :blink:

 

Navigations rules say that the boat overtaking another must change its route to avoid collision, and in crossings a motor boat must give way to less maneuverable boats.

 

We don't know details, but in open sea a motor boat is usually at fault if collision with a rowing or sailing boat.

That’s pretty correct my member fellow.

it would be good if half the posters here had a damn clue about nautical rules. Might save a load of rubbish being posted ... like my post lol ???? 

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Kieran00001 Explorer Member

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7 minutes ago, DJ54 said:

Missed the part that says wooden row boat. Looks like along

long tail with motor ..... it’d be a mo fo go far using only oars 

 

 

I think you will find that it actually looks like a long tail WITHOUT a motor, which is not a long tail, by the way.

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