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44 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

That's not a longtail, its the sort of boat that are often turned into longtails, but that one hasn't been, the long pole you can see is the second oar, the two short poles sticking up are a type of rowlock, and at the back you can see the tiller, if the engine had been ripped off obviously the tiller would have gone with it. Now, if you truely know this little about boats, why on earth are you putting you two cents in?

 

Possibly because a lot of those boats have a lawn mower engine in a tiny compartment, attached to a prop that wouldn't be seen in the photo.  I've seen dozens of them on beaches in Thailand.

 

Why would you need a tiller on a rowboat?  How can you row from the middle of the boat and operate a tiller from the back seat?  That "tiller" actually looks more like a motor mount, with the motor knocked off- possibly by the collision.  I'm not claiming to know.  In fact, just the opposite.  I'm hoping to goad someone into posting up actual, verified information instead of conjecture.

 

Also, I'm still not seeing any information about the time the accident occurred.  Just that it was reported at 10:30.  Which could be hours after it actually happened.  Begging the question about lights.

 

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18 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Possibly because a lot of those boats have a lawn mower engine in a tiny compartment, attached to a prop that wouldn't be seen in the photo.  I've seen dozens of them on beaches in Thailand.

 

Why would you need a tiller on a rowboat?  How can you row from the middle of the boat and operate a tiller from the back seat?  That "tiller" actually looks more like a motor mount, with the motor knocked off- possibly by the collision.  I'm not claiming to know.  In fact, just the opposite.  I'm hoping to goad someone into posting up actual, verified information instead of conjecture.

 

Also, I'm still not seeing any information about the time the accident occurred.  Just that it was reported at 10:30.  Which could be hours after it actually happened.  Begging the question about lights.

 

 

Well, that wouldn't be a long tail either then.  The tiller is clearly visible, have you zoomed in?

 

Row boats that go to sea have tillers, it helps one to avoid dying in a the slightest swell.  And they are operated by tying them while rowing.

 

Clearly you're another one with a wealth of knowledge to bring to this thread. Xx

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16 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

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The image above shows a typical, low budget longtail install.  It is NOT the one from the OP.  See that prop hanging off the back?  That's why it's called a longtail, as in the OP.

 

I had a longtail motor in BKK based on a 200cc lawn mower type engine, and the mount could have easily been knocked off in a collision.

 

Again, I don't claim to know the answer.  But I'm not the one trying to shut down all discussion based on my own conjecture.   

 

In the absence of reliable reporting, I have no problem with the conjecture, since it's the basis of a lot of good discussion.  My objection comes when posters shut down the discussion by holding their conjecture out as irrefutable fact and insulting anyone who disagrees.

 

 

Ot is hardly conjecture to recognise a tiller darling.

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2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

That's not a longtail, its the sort of boat that are often turned into longtails, but that one hasn't been, the long pole you can see is the second oar, the two short poles sticking up are a type of rowlock, and at the back you can see the tiller, if the engine had been ripped off obviously the tiller would have gone with it. Now, if you truely know this little about boats, why on earth are you putting you two cents in?

I was having  a discussion with somebody else , so why are YOU putting your oar in? (pun "TRULY" intended!)

 

And if that long pole is an oar - how would you use it? Maybe like this? :-

 

Punting on the River Cam : Stock Photo

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18 minutes ago, sambum said:

I was having  a discussion with somebody else , so why are YOU putting your oar in? (pun "TRULY" intended!)

 

And if that long pole is an oar - how would you use it? Maybe like this? :-

 

Punting on the River Cam : Stock Photo

 

There are two poles attached vertically which serve as rowlocks, the oars are tied to those.  Have you considered taking a look around this country?  You're disputing their traditional water craft now, can't believe you've never seen them!

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6 hours ago, stevenl said:

Agree the search function on Thai Visa is not really good, but this one did show for me.

 

 

Yep, that's the prior article I also had read from the same news outlet, making a total of two from them on this incident that I'm aware of... And neither of them has any meaningful, specific details about when, where, or how the collision occurred that would in any way help determine guilt/responsibility/recklessness.

 

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1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

There are two poles attached vertically which serve as rowlocks, the oars are tied to those.  Have you considered taking a look around this country?  You're disputing their traditional water craft now, can't believe you've never seen them!

These are the traditional water craft that I've seen in Esan - I believe they are called "longboats", but my wife calls them "dragon boats". I've seen them having races and gazed on in wonder at the physical effort required - especially in the Thailand heat. I've been here for many years now, and never seen the type of craft that you refer to. 

Anyway, this discussion is going nowhere, so before you start to give me more Thai lessons, or detention for not doing my homework, I will say goodnight and have pleasant dreams of life on your ocean wave! 

 

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On 5/9/2019 at 10:08 PM, Pattaya46 said:

 

On one side you have a not so big but fast fishing boat :

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On the other side you have a slow low wooden rowing boat !

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And members asking who hit who ??? :blink:

 

Navigations rules say that the boat overtaking another must change its route to avoid collision, and in crossings a motor boat must give way to less maneuverable boats.

 

We don't know details, but in open sea a motor boat is usually at fault if collision with a rowing or sailing boat.

Yes the rules of the sea are pretty clear, and well tried and tested over many years of History, .... Usually it is very easy to define who is in the wrong.

 

Re Cargo ships hitting Wooden bats in Shipping lanes, ... Well at night the Fishing boats are supposed to show a light, and the cargo Boats have one officer on watch, ... usually watching the Radar, that has a collision alarm, for things that it can see .... and there is supposed to be an AB on watch also, I think ? on some ships at least I think ? ... Who's specific job it is is to look out for fishing boats, while the officer on watch is not .... this does not always happen of course, .... I do believe that as the Cargo ships are tall, so they can see over the horizon, Oh 60k with their radars, re other Cargo ships, and at 20 K say, = 3 hrs before you can hit any thing big, ... some officers on them, have been known to just set the collision alarm, .., and just take a little Kip. ... So they tell me. ? ...

 

Though looking at the Power fishing boat at this time, and having 2 fishers on Board, in the Morning... I would say that they all were looking at the lines ... and not where they were going ! ? ... and well, look at the two boats ... an Engine hidden under the deck in the little wooden boat !!! ... It would be about as big as an egg beater if it was there any way ! ... What are you talking about !!! .... The power boat was probably almost certainly, WELL, in the wrong.

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7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Yep, that's the prior article I also had read from the same news outlet, making a total of two from them on this incident that I'm aware of... And neither of them has any meaningful, specific details about when, where, or how the collision occurred that would in any way help determine guilt/responsibility/recklessness.

 

If you refuse to read and understand there is nothing I can do. And I am not talking about the news article but about the discussion, hence the link to the discussion and not the news article.

It is very clear who is at fault.

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19 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I think you will find that it actually looks like a long tail WITHOUT a motor, which is not a long tail, by the way.

I see two possibilities: 1) The reporter inaccurately called it a longtail; 2) The editor stuck in a stock photo of a little Thai boat. Or both. We don't really know if the photo shows the actual boat involved in the accident. I don't see much damage. Does anybody have better info from previous reliable reports?

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I stopped trying to reason with some people on this thread.

It's become clear they are either trolling or incredibly stupid, and there's no point in engaging with them.

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54 minutes ago, LawrenceN said:

I see two possibilities: 1) The reporter inaccurately called it a longtail; 2) The editor stuck in a stock photo of a little Thai boat. Or both. We don't really know if the photo shows the actual boat involved in the accident. I don't see much damage. Does anybody have better info from previous reliable reports?

Zoom in on the photo. The gunnel has been broken port aft. 

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Why is the damage on the port aft then?


Maybe that’s where it was hit?

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