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Lacessit

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Here is an example. 
Say you got an O-A visa 10 years ago and you've been here on annual extensions since. 
The Foreign Ministry specifically says RENEWAL of O-A visas will be subject to the health insurance too.
There is no such thing as RENEWAL of an O-A visa.
This is one of the many lost in translation things that happen so often here.
 
So what are they referring to, what can happen with an O-A visa over time?
 
You can reenter Thailand before it's initially void and get an additional year's stay.
Is THAT what they mean by renewal?
If so, then such people would need to show proof of insurance during that entry.
 
You can get continuous annual retirement extensions for life if you started with an O-A visa.
Is THAT what they mean by renewal?
If so, then such people would need to show proof of insurance during upon extension application.
 
You can go back to your home country and apply for NEW O-A visas, indefinitely. 
Is THAT what they mean by renewal?
I think not because when an O-A visa expires there is nothing to renew.
A new O-A visa application is just that, it's a NEW O-A visa application. Renewal implies you have something in your passport that is still valid. 
The more interesting point is why are they picking on O-A only and not O. My guess is with an O-A no need for the holder to have THB income or 800k in the bank, which authorities don't like
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2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:
18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:
Here is an example. 
Say you got an O-A visa 10 years ago and you've been here on annual extensions since. 
The Foreign Ministry specifically says RENEWAL of O-A visas will be subject to the health insurance too.
There is no such thing as RENEWAL of an O-A visa.
This is one of the many lost in translation things that happen so often here.
 
So what are they referring to, what can happen with an O-A visa over time?
 
You can reenter Thailand before it's initially void and get an additional year's stay.
Is THAT what they mean by renewal?
If so, then such people would need to show proof of insurance during that entry.
 
You can get continuous annual retirement extensions for life if you started with an O-A visa.
Is THAT what they mean by renewal?
If so, then such people would need to show proof of insurance during upon extension application.
 
You can go back to your home country and apply for NEW O-A visas, indefinitely. 
Is THAT what they mean by renewal?
I think not because when an O-A visa expires there is nothing to renew.
A new O-A visa application is just that, it's a NEW O-A visa application. Renewal implies you have something in your passport that is still valid. 

The more interesting point is why are they picking on O-A only and not O. My guess is with an O-A no need for the holder to have THB income or 800k in the bank, which authorities don't like

It's an interesting guess and I've thought of that too, but still, just another guess.
People understandably want DEFINITE answers now and they are simply not available. 

There is nobody posting here that can offer that YET. Sorry.

About that guess there is a flaw. The people using embassy letters (the vast majority of national) for the income method that are not required to import even ONE baht. 

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About that guess there is a flaw. The people using embassy letters (the vast majority of national) for the income method that are not required to import even ONE baht. 


Which is why the govt wanted more checks by the various embassies

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The more interesting point is why are they picking on O-A only and not O. My guess is with an O-A no need for the holder to have THB income or 800k in the bank, which authorities don't like
Because OA and OX visas are long-stay visas. O visas are not.

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The O retirement year extension isn't long stay?
An Extension is not a visa. The insurance requirement is for long-stay visas.

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29 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The people using embassy letters (the vast majority of national) for the income method that are not required to import even ONE baht

And hence in many ways, a two tiered system now that means too me, a large pot of people with no money here in the banking system and the authorities in power with regards to health care will not like that.

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Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

An Extension is not a visa. The insurance requirement is for long-stay visas.

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AND renewals. People typically consider annual retirement extensions RENEWALS. 

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On 5/15/2019 at 6:58 AM, Lacessit said:

At age 76, I am unlikely to get the new mandated health insurance IF it passes into law. AND Immigration insists on applying it to retirement visa extensions of stay.

The policy is available at your age.. The companies that provide it https://longstay.tgia.org/

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9 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:
15 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:
Because OA and OX visas are long-stay visas. O visas are not.

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The O retirement year extension isn't long stay?

 

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

An Extension is not a visa. The insurance requirement is for long-stay visas.

 

A distinction is made between extensions of stay (occurring within Thailand at a local immigration) vs a non OA,OX visa (issued at embassy/consulate outside Thailand and gives the holder permission to stay stamps > 90 days (1 year in these cases).

 

 

But some still say it is confusing.  I admit there are several options to keep up with.  But if you look at each option objectively, the requirements for each path are pretty clear. 

 

Oh yeah, IMHO.

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A thicky that wants to stay here and isn't qualified to buy anything else. 
Lots of health insurance companies around, explore those first

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2 hours ago, 4evermaat said:

 

Actually, all of the articles made it quite clear that it only affected those wanting to obtain a non O-A visa based on retirement only.   The latest article says that the changes may take effect in July.    I think even @ubonjoe has clarified this.  

 

The confusion comes when these news/announcement threads come with 100+ subsequent pages of replies spewing panic, speculation, etc as to what changes may be next.

Nothing to do with yearly extensions. . . 

 

Hopefully, this is correct. But it would be helpful get a simple, clear statement to this effect from Thai Immigration. They must be aware of the confusion and alarm in the expat ranks.

 

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