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Mandatory health insurance for non-immigrant O-A retirement visa holders likely to take effect in July

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So it seems after todays Nation report anybody holding a Non Immigrant O-A retirement visa will maybe required to have health insurance on renewing their next 1 year extension of stay.
No. It's only required when applying for a OA (or OX) visa. It doesn't apply for Extensions of any kind.

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15 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

 

So it seems after todays Nation report anybody holding a Non Immigrant O-A retirement visa will maybe required to have health insurance on renewing their next 1 year extension of stay.

 

O-A visas are one thing... Extensions of stay based on retirement are a different thing.

 

It remains to be seen whether they intend to apply the insurance requirement to retirement based extensions of stay.

 

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1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

O-A visas are one thing... Extensions of stay based on retirement are a different thing.

 

It remains to be seen whether they intend to apply the insurance requirement to retirement based extensions of stay.

 

What does "renewing your one-year permits-to-stay mean"?

 

A. Extending your retirement visa?

B.  Extending your permission to stay?

C.  I don't know?

The requirement applies to all new applicants for one-year non-immigrant O-A visas, and for those applying to “renew” their one-year permits-to-stay, he said.

 

 

 

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Only Non O-A visas... Non O visas not included?


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11 hours ago, SheungWan said:

For O-A visa there is no requirement to hold Thai baht in a Thai bank.

Yeah well, lets wait for clarification on the visa categories affected. If Dr, Natthawut is really seeking to put an end to the unpaid hospital bills he quotes, he is possibly 'barking up the wrong tree'. Their own figures, although very questionable seem to identify O-A holders as the major culprits behind these 'unpaid bills' yet I'd suspect that the majority of retired ex-pats are on extensions. If that is the case, he's not going to solve the problem by targeting only those on O-A's.

 

However, at the moment they are talking about O-A's and renewals thereof. As far as I know, a 12 month O-A can only be renewed once - for a futher 12 months.  I don't know but if you originally entered on an O-A and then applied for an extension, would your visa category not remain O-A? How many have done that and how many 'converted' a different type of entry?

 

If it pans out the new rules are only in respect of O-A visas and extensions are a totally different category, that changes the picture for a lot of people. Also, if it turns out that it is only those on O-A visas, those affected would be able to simply leave and re-enter under a different category and extend that - thereby not having to obtain insurance.  I really can't see that changing things from the Thai perspective and I suspect a mistake.

 

However, as I say, let's wait for clarification - Dr. Natthawut may realise he's made a mistake - hopefully not.

 

Also, be prepared for 'local interpretaion' of who the the insurance requirement applies to across different immigration offices.

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1 hour ago, micmichd said:

They should make it mandatory then. Those short-stay tourists are obviously the group that leave most unpaid bills in Thailand. 

I should imagine that the most likely candidates for needing hospital treatment are the manual labourers from neighboring Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar. Those injured travelling in the back of pick-up trucks must make up a high percentage. Also building site and factory injuries must be pretty frequent too, especially to their bare feet! I can't see some old codgers from Europe or the US exerting themselves or putting themselves in line of danger in the same way. Add to that, as you say, the short stay tourists falling off motorbikes and you can understand who the majority of those responsible for the unpaid bills are. I personally have never heard of a long stay farang not paying a medical bill.

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3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

What does "renewing your one-year permits-to-stay mean"?

 

A. Extending your retirement visa?

B.  Extending your permission to stay?

C.  I don't know?

The requirement applies to all new applicants for one-year non-immigrant O-A visas, and for those applying to “renew” their one-year permits-to-stay, he said.

 

Good questions...

 

It could mean... upon applying for an O-A, and then reapplying for a new O-A again after its initial one-year period....

 

Or, it could be their vague way of talking about retirement extensions....  But so far, that's only speculation...

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It seems they stated their reasons for targeting o-a. Impossible to know the full story. 

 

If I step back objectively, retirees are by definition not working (ie can't pay a bill off on a monthly basis as perhaps say a married teacher could), retirees are not married (ie no actual legit attachment to any Thai citizen.... I think we all know that means a lot here), retirees could well have fled their own country for fear of not being able to pay future medical bills, lastly.... maybe some thai officials dropped by thai visa and read some of the comments and deduced ages based on comments. That is a half joke but seriously, cmon guys there are basic levels of human decency. 

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Box:

Bad medical debts from expats have been cited in the move to make health insurance mandatory for foreigners aged 50 and above who are living in Thailand on a one-year long-stay visa.

2016

Number of foreign visitors: 32 million

Number of medical visits by them: 2.6 million

Number of non-immigrant (O-A) visa holders: 71,288

Number of unpaid medical bills: 667,000

Outstanding debt: Bt380 million

2017

Number of foreign visitors: 35 million

Number medical visits by them: 3.3 million

Number of non-immigrant (O-A) visa holders: 68,696

Number of unpaid medical bills: 565,000

Outstanding debt: Bt346 million

2018

Number of foreign visitors: 38 million

Number of medical visits by them: 3.42 million

Number of non-immigrant (O-A) visa holders: 80,950

Number of unpaid medical bills: 680,000

Outstanding debt: Bt305 million

Proposed mandatory health insurance 

Bt40,000 coverage for outpatient treatment

Bt400,000 coverage for inpatient treatments

Source:Department of Health Service Support

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Indeed, must admit I wasn't aware of that.   I thought that it just expired and required a new visa, not extension.   This is the MFA edict:
 
http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15385-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"O-A"-(Long-Stay).html

Yup, this MFA website also states that you need a Thai police check as well as your home country, that wasn’t the case 2 1/2 years ago!!

Also never seen it in writing about squeezing a 2nd year from the OA .
I learnt that trick on TVF , and this week a poster with an OA was surprised to find that out .
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Can I self identify as a car?

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It doesn't make sense to include a Thai Insurance being acceptable for a one year visa bought in the UK, US, China etc.
I can see the logic for an O-X being included in that. The visa is for 10 years (2 x 5 year blocks) so highly likely those people will be here for that time period so likely to renew. What is logic to get a Thai insurance or indeed, any insurance for an O-A Visa if, after the first year, you won't need to have it anymore? Unless they are going to apply this to extensions, I really don't see where it's going?
No doubt, it will all become clear shortly.

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