riclag Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 1 hour ago, heybruce said: Are we going to go through this again? Do you hope that if you keep denying reality your denial will become real? "(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure. http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:26 section:6103 edition:prelim) OR (granuleid:USC-prelim-title26-section6103)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true You can list taxpayer's which are subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to such as Conflict of interest and indictment! For decades the precedence for the office to turn over tax returns has always been voluntary ! Again, there is no law! To be elected POTUS your only required to disclose your financial s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, riclag said: You can list a taxpayer's which is subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to such as Conflict of interest and indictment! For decades the precedence for the office to turn over tax returns has always been voluntary ! Again, there is no law And those who had nothing to hide made their tax returns public.Not your boy, don't you wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, sirineou said: And those who had nothing to hide made their tax returns public.Not your boy, don't you wonder why? No law!The dems must go to court and argue the Constitutional law! I could careless about his returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, riclag said: No law! Go to court and argue the Constitutional law I guess you dont wonder why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, riclag said: No law!The dems must go to court and argue the Constitutional law! I could careless about his returns Awww take it easy on him he gonna blow a gasket lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 7 hours ago, heybruce said: Are we going to go through this again? Do you hope that if you keep denying reality your denial will become real? "(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure. http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:26 section:6103 edition:prelim) OR (granuleid:USC-prelim-title26-section6103)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true 6 hours ago, riclag said: You can list taxpayer's which are subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to such as Conflict of interest and indictment! For decades the precedence for the office to turn over tax returns has always been voluntary ! Again, there is no law! To be elected POTUS your only required to disclose your financial s. You are truly in full blown denial. This law was written following the Teapot Dome scandal to give Congress access to President Harding's tax returns. Contrary to what you and Trump think, the President is not above the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptic7 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 17 hours ago, Longcut said: Why should the WH give them anything? He owes the Democrats nothing. He owes the American people a bit of transparency and honesty...of which he is incapable, so he will be forced by the courts. Will make him look like even more of an ass-hat...and that hat is XXXL already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 18 hours ago, Longcut said: Why should the WH give them anything? You are essentially asking 'why should the WH follow the law?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 9 hours ago, riclag said: Who says he's a crook the dems! GOP Rep. Amash becomes first Republican to call for Trump's impeachment "Michigan GOP Rep. Justin Amash said Saturday he had concluded President Donald Trump committed "impeachable conduct" and accused Attorney General William Barr of intentionally misleading the public." 7 hours ago, riclag said: You can list taxpayer's which are subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to Can you quote the specific part of the code where it exempts the president? While you're looking for that, I'll just quote this part: "...any return..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JHolmesJr Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Im stunned by the level of craziness on this thread. You really think a guy running for prez wouldn't know the shitstorm he would be subject to.... and would have some crimes lying around ? Please grow up and get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamb00ler Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 3 hours ago, JHolmesJr said: Im stunned by the level of craziness on this thread. You really think a guy running for prez wouldn't know the shitstorm he would be subject to.... and would have some crimes lying around ? Please grow up and get real. Do you know how many crooks get convicted because they think they're smarter than the cops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 4 hours ago, JHolmesJr said: Im stunned by the level of craziness on this thread. You really think a guy running for prez wouldn't know the shitstorm he would be subject to.... and would have some crimes lying around ? Please grow up and get real. Trump didn't run to win, he ran to get his name in the news. He was totally unprepared to take office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 5 hours ago, JHolmesJr said: Im stunned by the level of craziness on this thread. You really think a guy running for prez wouldn't know the shitstorm he would be subject to.... and would have some crimes lying around ? Please grow up and get real. Personally I am stunned how some people can deny what is so obvious Donald has gotten away with many bad deeds because of wealth if he was a regular guy he would have changed be in prison or dead it’s obvious he isent going to change soooo time will tell and stop being a mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 23 hours ago, heybruce said: You are truly in full blown denial. This law was written following the Teapot Dome scandal to give Congress access to President Harding's tax returns. Contrary to what you and Trump think, the President is not above the law. The teapot dome scandal involved the POTUS cabinet tax return not the POTUS tax return! "Congressional investigators pressed President Calvin Coolidge, who had taken over after Harding died, for tax return information for Fall, the oilmen who bribed him and the companies that stood to benefit. Coolidge and his Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, one of the three wealthiest Americans, opposed public disclosure of tax returns, but they acceded to the demands of congressional investigators and handed over the returns" "The history of the provision shows, however, that Congress enacted this measure to enable investigations into private individuals and the highest-ranking government officials to ensure that they are not getting favorable treatment or evading their taxes". https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-returns-democrats_n_5caf9ae5e4b098b9a2d0e96f 22 hours ago, attrayant said: On 5/19/2019 at 1:21 AM, riclag said: You can list taxpayer's which are subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to Can you quote the specific part of the code where it exempts the president? While you're looking for that, I'll just quote this part: "any return" You can list taxpayer's which are subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to such as Conflict of interest and indictment! For decades the precedence for the office to turn over tax returns has always been voluntary ! Again, there is no law! To be elected POTUS your only required to disclose your financials. The office of the POTUS because of its privileges are not subject to ordinary rules "any return", I have stated this above. The highest-ranking government officials is any body below the POTUS because of it's special privilege of the office . "The history of the provision shows, however, that Congress enacted this measure to enable investigations into private individuals and the highest-ranking government officials to ensure that they are not getting favorable treatment or evading their taxes". https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-returns-democrats_n_5caf9ae5e4b098b9a2d0e96f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, riclag said: The teapot dome scandal involved the POTUS cabinet tax return not the POTUS tax return! "Congressional investigators pressed President Calvin Coolidge, who had taken over after Harding died, for tax return information for Fall, the oilmen who bribed him and the companies that stood to benefit. Coolidge and his Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, one of the three wealthiest Americans, opposed public disclosure of tax returns, but they acceded to the demands of congressional investigators and handed over the returns" "The history of the provision shows, however, that Congress enacted this measure to enable investigations into private individuals and the highest-ranking government officials to ensure that they are not getting favorable treatment or evading their taxes". https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-returns-democrats_n_5caf9ae5e4b098b9a2d0e96f You can list taxpayer's which are subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to such as Conflict of interest and indictment! For decades the precedence for the office to turn over tax returns has always been voluntary ! Again, there is no law! To be elected POTUS your only required to disclose your financials. The office of the POTUS because of its privileges are not subject to ordinary rules "any return", I have stated this above. The highest-ranking government officials is any body below the POTUS because of it's special privilege of the office . "The history of the provision shows, however, that Congress enacted this measure to enable investigations into private individuals and the highest-ranking government officials to ensure that they are not getting favorable treatment or evading their taxes". https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-returns-democrats_n_5caf9ae5e4b098b9a2d0e96f Donald is not above the law shall meets shall Donald will kick and scream pound his tiny fists and delay delay delay that’s what he does but in the end he can’t avoid this this isent some subcontractor he is trying to rip off its a whole different ball game Donald will be exposed for what he is a fraud and a con man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tug said: Donald is not above the law shall meets shall Donald will kick and scream pound his tiny fists and delay delay delay that’s what he does but in the end he can’t avoid this this isent some subcontractor he is trying to rip off its a whole different ball game Donald will be exposed for what he is a fraud and a con man Ok if you say so. Just because he is the most disliked man as President doesn't give them the right to deny his office and its constitution privileges which are unique to the office of the President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, riclag said: The teapot dome scandal involved the POTUS cabinet tax return not the POTUS tax return! "Congressional investigators pressed President Calvin Coolidge, who had taken over after Harding died, for tax return information for Fall, the oilmen who bribed him and the companies that stood to benefit. Coolidge and his Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, one of the three wealthiest Americans, opposed public disclosure of tax returns, but they acceded to the demands of congressional investigators and handed over the returns" "The history of the provision shows, however, that Congress enacted this measure to enable investigations into private individuals and the highest-ranking government officials to ensure that they are not getting favorable treatment or evading their taxes". https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-returns-democrats_n_5caf9ae5e4b098b9a2d0e96f You can list taxpayer's which are subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to such as Conflict of interest and indictment! For decades the precedence for the office to turn over tax returns has always been voluntary ! Again, there is no law! To be elected POTUS your only required to disclose your financials. The office of the POTUS because of its privileges are not subject to ordinary rules "any return", I have stated this above. The highest-ranking government officials is any body below the POTUS because of it's special privilege of the office . "The history of the provision shows, however, that Congress enacted this measure to enable investigations into private individuals and the highest-ranking government officials to ensure that they are not getting favorable treatment or evading their taxes". https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-returns-democrats_n_5caf9ae5e4b098b9a2d0e96f Thanks, this is quite an interesting article. However I don't see how it supports your main point (the president has no obligation to provide its returns). I just quote the first sentence: "President Donald Trump doesn’t want to release his tax returns to Congress, but thanks to progressives, two of the biggest scandals in U.S. history and a fight between two millionaires, he doesn’t have a choice" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 They want to avoid releasing those tax returns at any cost. Those returns are not only incriminating, they also make Trump look bad, as he has not paid taxes in decades, and he is the lowest charitable contributor in the US, of any billionaire on record. Either way, they reveal Trump to be the man he is. A non patriot, who does not support his nation, and a cheapskate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, candide said: Thanks, this is quite an interesting article. However I don't see how it supports your main point (the president has no obligation to provide its returns). I just quote the first sentence: "President Donald Trump doesn’t want to release his tax returns to Congress, but thanks to progressives, two of the biggest scandals in U.S. history and a fight between two millionaires, he doesn’t have a choice" Sorry I didn't quote that first sentence .My quotes from the article are marked clearly! That first sentence you mention seems like the context was a opinion by the writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeekendRaider Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 most folks only want to know about nonsense stuff. well, maybe Trump can do us a favor with all of the crazy stuff he has generated so far. over the top. so wait until, maybe today, someone breaks "bank secrecy" on some Trumper thing. we expats have to file all kinds of reports to disclose our bank accounts. but any transaction, for which we accountants use the tongue twister "offshore transactions" to describe, and you can do any damn thing you want. self dealings. hidden wealth. corruption. money laundering. insider trading on foreign securities markets. tax avoidance. and "other stuff". bank secrecy. to nail Kim Jung Un all we needed was 9 names and passport and drivers license numbers, and UNSC 2371 was not vetoed by Russia or China because the nuke thing crossed a red line finally. and the USA is more powerful than ever as well. yet all we need to do (we the Little People, Silent Majority, Sleeping Giants) is vote for politicians to pass laws to require the use of blockchain ledgers for all "offshore transactions".... no nominees or banks that say they do "Know Your Customer" wink! wink! wink!...... and we live in an entirely different world. but our media doesn't report this stuff very often at all..... instead we get "fire and fury" and Great Leaders meeting here and there.... because it competes with social media and all kinds of stupid nonsense.... and also because it isn't just Kim Jung Un and Donald Trump that use "offshore transactions" and nominees, especially corporate ones... and somehow those kinds of folks write a lot of advert checks which are how our media makes any money at all anymore. even PBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, WeekendRaider said: most folks are in the dark. wait until, maybe today, someone breaks "bank secrecy" on some Trumper thing. we expats have to file all kinds of reports to disclose our bank accounts. but any transaction, for which we accountants use the tongue twister "offshore transactions" to describe, and you can do any damn thing you want. self dealings. hidden wealth. corruption. money laundering. insider trading on foreign securities markets. tax avoidance. and "other stuff". bank secrecy. to nail Kim Jung Un all we needed was 9 names and passport and drivers license numbers, and UNSC 2371 was not vetoed by Russia or China because the nuke thing crossed a red line finally. and the USA is more powerful than ever as well. all we need to do is requite the use of blockchain ledgers for all "offshore transactions".... no nominees or banks that say they do "Know Your Customer" wink! wink! wink!...... and we live in an entirely different world. but our media doesn't report this stuff very often at all..... instead we get "fire and fury" and Great Leaders meeting here and there.... because it competes with social media and all kinds of stupid nonsense. You must admit when seeking the truth and letter of law the litigators use past practice and precedence along with statues( Presidents have volunteered their tax returns for decades) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 hours ago, riclag said: The teapot dome scandal involved the POTUS cabinet tax return not the POTUS tax return! "Congressional investigators pressed President Calvin Coolidge, who had taken over after Harding died, for tax return information for Fall, the oilmen who bribed him and the companies that stood to benefit. Coolidge and his Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, one of the three wealthiest Americans, opposed public disclosure of tax returns, but they acceded to the demands of congressional investigators and handed over the returns" "The history of the provision shows, however, that Congress enacted this measure to enable investigations into private individuals and the highest-ranking government officials to ensure that they are not getting favorable treatment or evading their taxes". https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-returns-democrats_n_5caf9ae5e4b098b9a2d0e96f You can list taxpayer's which are subject to many laws that the office of the President is immune to such as Conflict of interest and indictment! For decades the precedence for the office to turn over tax returns has always been voluntary ! Again, there is no law! To be elected POTUS your only required to disclose your financials. The office of the POTUS because of its privileges are not subject to ordinary rules "any return", I have stated this above. The highest-ranking government officials is any body below the POTUS because of it's special privilege of the office . "The history of the provision shows, however, that Congress enacted this measure to enable investigations into private individuals and the highest-ranking government officials to ensure that they are not getting favorable treatment or evading their taxes". https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-returns-democrats_n_5caf9ae5e4b098b9a2d0e96f So it is your interpretation of the law that Trump is above even high ranking officials; he is the Imperial President and not subject to law. The Founding Fathers would be appalled. The courts will not agree. I doubt that even Trump's lawyers agree, they are just stalling in the hopes that court challenges can continue until after the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, riclag said: Ok if you say so. Just because he is the most disliked man as President doesn't give them the right to deny his office and its constitution privileges which are unique to the office of the President Where do you get this idea of constitutional privileges? Where is it written that the President is above the law? What past judicial precedents are you drawing upon? I think your last line of defense for Trump is to make stuff up. You should be on his legal team, that's what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Nothing to hide, nothing to fear: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/business/deutsche-bank-trump-kushner.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, heybruce said: So it is your interpretation of the law that Trump is above even high ranking officials; he is the Imperial President and not subject to law. The Founding Fathers would be appalled. The courts will not agree. I doubt that even Trump's lawyers agree, they are just stalling in the hopes that court challenges can continue until after the next election. This in a nutshell is exactly what Donald is trying to do but he isent ripping off some broke contractor trying to get paid he is trying to cheat the congress of their oversite duty’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 4:48 PM, rooster59 said: Mnuchin rejected a demand for the documents from House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, saying the panel lacks "a legitimate legislative purpose" It's so obviously a political stunt that anyone with integrity would reject the demand, IMO. Hopefully the courts will back him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, heybruce said: Where do you get this idea of constitutional privileges? Where is it written that the President is above the law? What past judicial precedents are you drawing upon? I think your last line of defense for Trump is to make stuff up. You should be on his legal team, that's what they are doing. He's not above the law, but the courts will decide whether he is right or not. Of course congress can impeach him, but LOL on that. Even Nancy seems to realise why that would be a bad idea. Every Democrat president ever after would face impeachment from a majority GOP house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 57 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: On 5/18/2019 at 11:48 AM, rooster59 said: Mnuchin rejected a demand for the documents from House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, saying the panel lacks "a legitimate legislative purpose" It's so obviously a political stunt that anyone with integrity would reject the demand, IMO. Hopefully the courts will back him. Why would courts back him? Is there some clause written into the law that makes exceptions for "political stunts", or are you hoping that the judge(s) will legislate from the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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