Experts call for compassionate policies as teen attempts to bury newborn

[user46546545]

8 hours ago, billd766 said:

Perhaps her parents didn't know that she was pregnant in the first place.

 

As an old man, I am unable to comprehend what went on in a 14/15 year old girl child's mind. She had to keep the pregnancy hidden from EVERYBODY including her parents, family, her school, the village, the father of the child, even the doctor.

 

I can't imagine the mental stress she must have gone through up until the baby was born and the stress she would have to go through afterwards.

 

 

I would suggest that your naïve as well

[billd766]

11 minutes ago, IHTE said:

I would suggest that your naïve as well

Suggest away. I would rather be thought of as naive and sympathetic than many of the posters here who don't have any idea what she went through for the last 6 or 7 months.

 

I would suggest that until you walk a mile in her shoes you have no idea what she has gone through.

 

Do you have daughters in Thailand?

 

Would you support them 100%.

 

I have only my son who is 14 and AFAIK is not involved with girls yet.

 

I do have 2 Thai neighbours each of whom have a daughter

 

The eldest girl is 13 and her Mum is not married to the father.

 

The other is 9 and is looked after by her grandmother as her Mum is living with somebody else and has a second child by him.

[HOAX]

4 hours ago, Vacuum said:

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(All your comments)- Man, you're disturbing. Doesn't circumstances matter to you at all? By the level of unrational thinking, makes one wonder what kinda monster you really are when you walk away from your keyboard. Wonder how you would've treated your own daughter in Thailand in the same situation considering the lack of sex education anywhere in Thailand, no one to contact or talk with, old fashion-minded households with low income (she "can't" disappoint her family because THEY don't want to lose face), social, religious and political thinking and treatment of teenage sex and pregnancy, her immature age (15), immature Thai boys sexual behaviors (much worse than you think)... etc... None of this matter to you? 

 

I'd say the government, adults (in households) and religious fanatics in general needs a reality check and deal with the actual reality and the consequences of the (until what now has been) illogical, ignorant and arrogant expectations of human teenagers (parents running away from responsibility, kids driving motorbikes, no sex education... just to mention 0.00001% of the many problems). When you actually realize how things are in Thailand, teenage pregnancy in nearly every second household is expected. How do you think it is in other countries where reality and opinions are suppressed? You probably didn't even bother to think about it, but the rest of us know the answer... (cough: Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, South America)... 

 

There are far more effective and long term successful ways to deal with social behavior when it comes to sex, pregnancy and STD's. Just straight out stabbing people with punishments in anger most certainly isn't it. 

[faraday]

There are some quite ignorant & horrible comments on this thread.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/may/12/mothers-on-the-edge-review-louis-theroux-more-perturbed-than-ever-before

[neeray]

8 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

How empowered do think she was to demand a condom

It could have been sexual assault/incest/

How well educate would she have been on sexual health?

Obviously no medical support during her pregnancy

Complex situation for all concerned, we do not have  the facts so should not judge her

The child will need supervision and support as will the mother, I hope the services are there for her now

 

Hard to believe but I am advised by a now forty-something Thai lady that as a young teenager, she (and others) did not know how pregnancy came about.

Very hard to believe!

[Isaanbiker]

He pointed out that Thai society’s negative attitudes towards premature sex and unwanted pregnancies did not help to establish a good system to provide options to these affected women and girls – the later of whom also weren’t taught sex education in school in the way that was relevant to lifestyle. So, when they had a problem, they acted out of desperation.

 

I remember a time when M 3 girls/boys used plastic bags as condoms, a big thank you to all the Thai teachers who do not teach what the kids should know. Don't they have the right to learn how to prevent pregnancy and steps not to catch any diseases? 

 

  My wife's friend is a nurse who meets 12 and 13-year-olds who give birth at the local hospital on a weekly basis. The lack of education in this country is breathtaking. 

 

  I'm glad that somebody found the baby and it survived. The solution is very easy. Some European countries have hospitals where mothers can give their babies to at any time of the day. Totally anonymous. And nobody would lose face. 

 

 

[Percy P]

15 hours ago, Number 6 said:

This is so tragic. How she came to be pregnant, by whom and under what circumstances. Upcountry thinking, parental issues, desperation. I can't get out of my mind what she was thinking as she buried the baby in after immediately giving birth and in a state of panic. My heart really goes out to her.

 

I'm sure the child will have a horrible life. Be told the story, shunned by the moo ban and treated as unwanted. Parents took the kid to save face. They were not there to support her in pregnancy.

 

What help if any came from the parents of the girl. They must have seen that she was pregnant.

[Artisi]

15 hours ago, billd766 said:

Do you really think that the authorities would believe her?

 

 

maybe believe- but care - nah! 

[Artisi]

11 hours ago, faraday said:

There are some quite ignorant & horrible comments on this thread.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/may/12/mothers-on-the-edge-review-louis-theroux-more-perturbed-than-ever-before????☹️????????????

Ignorant, stupid, horrible comments by (supposedly) intelligent Westerners  -  easy to see the ones that aren't (intelligent) ????

[Artisi]

16 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Sympathy for someone who tried to bury a newborn child alive.  Give me a brake. Had it been the "father" of the child doing the crime, there would be an uproar on TVF.

was it brake failure once again? ????

[billd766]

12 hours ago, neeray said:

Hard to believe but I am advised by a now forty-something Thai lady that as a young teenager, she (and others) did not know how pregnancy came about.

Very hard to believe!

I am not sure if sex education is actually taught in Thai schools nor at what grade but I suspect at village schools it may not be taught at all.

 

Probably the best teachers for sex education may well be (ex) bar girls who seem to have a pretty good idea of how a womans body works and how to stop unwanted pregnancies.

[jak2002003]

21 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Obviously no stress when she had unprotected sex at the age of 14.

How do you know that?  How do you know she was not raped?  Perhaps by someone in her own family?  Quick to judge aren't you?

[Vacuum]

17 hours ago, billd766 said:

Do you think she would have gone home to her parents and say welcome to your new grandchild. What do you think they would have said and done.

I doubt they would have buried the baby alive.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Artisi said:

maybe believe- but care - nah! 

They would certainly care if there was money in it for themselves.

[Vacuum]

18 hours ago, Artisi said:

Do you actually live in Thailand, 

If so have you ever been outside of the bar or your gated community and looked at real life in Thailand. As for reporting it to authorities, even in 1st world countries many cases of rape and abuse go unreported for many reasons .. 

I do not visit "bars" and I don't live in a gated community, and yes, I do look at the "real life " in Thailand. What has this to do with attempted murder?

[mauGR1]

18 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

So who is the father and why has he not been arrested for raping a child? She is a victim of sexual abuse. Of course likely a family member hence the shame and conduct of the girl

It could be, we don't know, anyway, we should be extremely cautious in judging the 15 years old girl.

[HappyinNE]

There needs to be safe places where women can give away unwanted babies.  Where I lived in California USA the safe place was any fire station.  No involvement with the police as that could have scared the women away.

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

How do you know that?  How do you know she was not raped?  Perhaps by someone in her own family?  Quick to judge aren't you?

Someone makes some fairly outlandish statements based on SFA and their own very basic bias. 

[Huayrat]

Don't <deleted> without a condom simple..

[Orton Rd]

strange that there has been no news of the rapist father being arrested, could be a person of status like a Policeman or local big wig, or maybe she just will not say who he is yet?

[djayz]

On 5/20/2019 at 2:11 PM, Wilsonandson said:

No sympathy from me. It is not okay to bury babies alive whatever the circumstances. She should get at least 2 years in prison to think about what a terrible thing she has done.

As horrific and upsetting as this is, we shouldn't forget that she's still just a CHILD herself. No or not sufficient sex education, maybe forced sex, nobody to talk to, no help, no money, no aid. 

The last thing this girl needs is prison. She needs help to overcome what she went through, what she did/had to do. 

A little bit of compassion might just encourage other teenagers in similar situations to seek help.

 

 

 

[Number 6]

18 hours ago, billd766 said:

I am not sure if sex education is actually taught in Thai schools nor at what grade but I suspect at village schools it may not be taught at all.

 

Probably the best teachers for sex education may well be (ex) bar girls who seem to have a pretty good idea of how a womans body works and how to stop unwanted pregnancies.

It is but only the best schools do a half horrible job. Doubt anything outside Bangkok and even poorer schools in Bangkok. Actually the mandate is extensive and absolutely impossible for even top 5 HS to meet.

[RJRS1301]

16 hours ago, Huayrat said:

Don't <deleted> without a condom simple..

Do really believe a 14 year old female is empowered enough to demand use of protection?