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BANGKOK 20 July 2019 03:28
mrbojangles

Changes to Football Laws of the game

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20 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

I had to toil over that one myself. Definitely don't see how it damages the image of the game but I can understand the against the "spirit of the game" bit. The only reason they go into a wall is to jostle with the defenders and disrupt the defence to ultimately, like you said, create gaps. I suppose in cricket terms, it's not cricket. Will be interesting to see new tactics being adopted by both defenders and attackers.

 

Not thought it through properly but the one thing I don't understand how they will implement, is how they are going constitute when a wall has been formed. i.e. when a ball is too far out to have a shot at goal, the free kick taker pumps it into or around the box. Usually from that distance a wall isn't officially formed but the defenders man mark or zonal mark. If 3 defenders are stood together has a wall been formed? Will the captain of the defending team have to call to the ref 'wall"? 

See what you are saying, but isn't it obvious when a wall is a wall, rather than 3 players zonal marking? 

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GOAL KICKS  RULE ....Think they also brought in rule  where when taking  goal kick  the  ball does not have to leave the penalty area now to be in play...for teamate....who enters  from outside the area  after the kick   ......think new tactics needed  for  Man City  playing out  from the back now

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On 5/20/2019 at 7:49 PM, RickG16 said:

 

Free kicks: No attacking players in wall

"There is no legitimate tactical justification for attackers to be in the ‘wall’ and their presence is against the ‘spirit of the game’ and often damages the image of the game."

 

Don't get this one - the tactical justification is to peel away at the last moment and let a free kick through a 'gap' in the wall, or lift your feet up and let the shot through. Damaging the image of the game? Going a bit too far  I think.

There isn't a gap in the wall unless an attacking player forces one. So the defending team pushes back to try and force the attacker out of the wall. Then a general push and shove ensues, the referee has to get involved, time gets wasted and as soon as the referee withdraws the pushing and shoving resumes until the kick is taken anyway. Usually there are several pushing or holding fouls going on that don't get penalised, otherwise almost every free kick where this happens, would lead immediately to another free kick (or penalty). Making the attackers stand a yard away avoids the whole unedifying mess in the first place.

 

14 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

That's one of the changes mentioned above in the Dropped Ball section. The team who last touched it get possession. What they then do with it i.e. keep possession or pass back to the opposition goalie, I'm not sure.

They do whatever they want with it, they have possession and play just continues as normal.

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56 minutes ago, daytraderuk99 said:

GOAL KICKS  RULE ....Think they also brought in rule  where when taking  goal kick  the  ball does not have to leave the penalty area now to be in play...for teamate....who enters  from outside the area  after the kick   ......think new tactics needed  for  Man City  playing out  from the back now

I think this will be one of the more significant changes, yet I've seen it missed out of several articles outlining the new amendments. We've all seen how teams try to prevent quick free kicks being taken all the time now, by getting a player to stand right on top of the free kick taker. With this law change they're allowed inside the penalty area, and with the potential of winning the ball back only a few yards away from the opponent's goal, they'll obviously start trying to do the same thing for goal kicks, so 'contested' goal kicks could easily become the norm. I can see problems developing from this.

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1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

They do whatever they want with it, they have possession and play just continues as normal.

The point I wasn't too sure about was previously, pressure was always on to have "sportsmanship" and a duty to pass back to the opposition. Will this still be the case?

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1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I think this will be one of the more significant changes, yet I've seen it missed out of several articles outlining the new amendments. We've all seen how teams try to prevent quick free kicks being taken all the time now, by getting a player to stand right on top of the free kick taker. With this law change they're allowed inside the penalty area, and with the potential of winning the ball back only a few yards away from the opponent's goal, they'll obviously start trying to do the same thing for goal kicks, so 'contested' goal kicks could easily become the norm. I can see problems developing from this.

For the goal kick bit, according to the link I posted, the defending team can be inside the penalty area but the opposition have to stay out until the ball is in play

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16 hours ago, RickG16 said:

See what you are saying, but isn't it obvious when a wall is a wall, rather than 3 players zonal marking? 

Maybe I'm over thinking it but I'm sure players will try to pull a fast one

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1 hour ago, mrbojangles said:

The point I wasn't too sure about was previously, pressure was always on to have "sportsmanship" and a duty to pass back to the opposition. Will this still be the case?

No, the way it used to work was that the ball was dropped to the team that did not have possession when play was stopped and they gave it back to the team that did. Now, the team that had possession when play was stopped gets the ball back directly so there's no reason for (or onus on) them to do anything other than play on.

Edited by GroveHillWanderer

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1 hour ago, mrbojangles said:

For the goal kick bit, according to the link I posted, the defending team can be inside the penalty area but the opposition have to stay out until the ball is in play

Well, that was the old law (pretty much). The main difference in the new law comes about because of the change in when the ball is in play. The old law said the ball wasn't in play until it left the penalty area - the new law says it's in play as soon as it is kicked and clearly moves. It also says that although opponents should be outside the penalty area, if they're still there because they didn't have time to leave, the referee allows play to continue. Here's the actual wording:

 

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If, when a goal kick is taken, any opponents are inside the penalty area because they did not have time to leave, the referee allows play to continue. If an opponent who is in the penalty area (…), touches or challenges for the ball before it is in play, the goal kick is retaken.

Put those two things together - opponents don't really have to leave the area and they can challenge for the ball basically as soon as it moves and you have (IMHO) a recipe for trouble.

 

Edited by GroveHillWanderer

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On 5/21/2019 at 8:10 AM, wgdanson said:

Yep, some other rules could be implemented instead of these petty ones.

 

ONLY the captain and the player involved should talk to the ref. Other players stay 10 yards/metres away and keep gobs shut.

 

Throw-ins taken within say 2 metres of where the ball went out.

 

Scrap the off-side rule. Only brought in to prevent forwards staying on the goal line waiting for a pass. Why not?

 

Ban commentators from ANY statistics of previous matches, or say more than 5/10 years previously!

 

 

This game you speak of is called RUGBY. 😎😁

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3 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

This game you speak of is called RUGBY. 😎😁

No no no. Rugby is stop start, stop start. Soccer is almost 45 minutes x 2 of non-stop play. (Cat and pigeons looming! )

In UK they can't even decide on the rules or how many to have on each team.    LOL

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On 5/22/2019 at 10:18 AM, mrbojangles said:

The point I wasn't too sure about was previously, pressure was always on to have "sportsmanship" and a duty to pass back to the opposition. Will this still be the case?

Just found anther document - the circular where the IFAB announced the changes. They make it even clearer as to what happens under the new procedure. The document states that after the ball is dropped:

 

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Play will then continue ‘as normal’, i.e. the ball is not given back to the opponents.

 

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On 5/21/2019 at 9:47 AM, Jonnapat said:

To me the worst aspect of the modern game is the never ending gamesmanship and downright cheating.

Players falling or diving to the ground often with the most minimal of contact, in fact the "conning" of the referee.

Also players pleading with the referee to give opposing players red or yellow cards.

Don't see anything in the new rules for these actions to be more severely punished.

Players can get punished for diving , usually a yellow card and players also get a yellow card themselves if they wave an imaginary yellow card in the air , suggesting the ref books a player

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