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Giving birth to an uncomfortable truth

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Giving birth to an uncomfortable truth

By The Nation

 

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Those outraged that a high-ranking Thai official sought US citizenship for her baby should first ask why she took that decision  

 

A Thai woman has sparked uproar by travelling to the United States to give birth so that her child would receive American citizenship.

 

There were even suggestions that former deputy police spokeswoman, Pol Lt-Colonel Dr Anchulee Phetcharat, should be investigated by both the police and the Medical Council for posting a Facebook message advertising the “legal loophole” in US citizenship law.

 

The director of Police General Hospital where Dr Anchulee works said officials were checking to see whether there are grounds for a full disciplinary probe. Medical Council secretary-general Itthiporn Khanacharoen said his agency was also checking whether Anchulee’s “personal post” had breached medical ethics.

 

Anchulee gave birth to a son earlier this month. She drew criticism after posting a photo of herself pregnant on May 14 with a message inscribed on her belly in Thai. The caption invited interested mothers-to-be to give birth in the US to secure a better future for their child. 

 

But this is not really what the fuss is all about.

 

She swiftly deleted the post, but the debate it triggered was already exploding as Thai netizens reacted with upset and dismay.

 

The US constitution deems anyone born in the country an American citizen. But Thais interested in the case are not debating American law. The red-hot topic is whether it is appropriate for a government civil servant to send such a message.

 

Many believe she offended Thai people’s honour by making such a suggestion. After all, what’s wrong with being born in Thailand?

 

In an ideal world, Dr Anchulee should be able to choose whatever location she wants for the  birth of her child. But we don’t live in a perfect world. The notion of the nation-state demands that we take up a national label as part of our personal identity. A nation-state is administered by bureaucrats. These state workers are often display extreme patriotic loyalty  – partly because they depend on the bureaucracy for personal status and professional advancement. 

 

 As such, when somebody like Anchulee reminds us that the country is less than perfect, Thais and Thai bureaucracy tend to react as if they have been stung.

 

Anchulee may have violated snobbish bureaucratic culture by highlighting the not-so-promising side of the Thai state and society, but did 

she violate protocol?

 

After all, she was not speaking as a police spokesperson but posting as an individual who, like any parent, wants the best for their children.

 

Thai nationalism, like nationalism elsewhere, has long been exploited by public figures and political leaders for their own gains.

 

Too often we take such tribal feelings too far, like when we beat each other up over simple things such as a football match.

 

Instead of going after Anchulee and threatening her with disciplinary action, perhaps we would do better to reflect on our own shortcomings. We could start with a simple question: What’s the problem with giving birth in Thailand.

 

Is it the medical facilities or is it the lack of opportunities for children to grow and develop.

 

After all, if a mid-ranking police officer with a medical degree and a promising career still feels reluctant about raising a child in Thailand, perhaps we need to ask what’s wrong here.

 

Are we doing enough to level the playing field and instil a sense of justice in society? Or are we and our leaders just wrapping ourselves proudly in the Thai flag so we don’t have to address these uncomfortable questions.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/opinion/30369718

 

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As I understand it dual nationality is allowed in Thailand and the US. I did know a girl, though, who had to make choice between Thai and US citizenship at age 18. She went for Thai. I guess that was under antiquated laws. Anyway, my point is not everyone thinks being Thai is such a bad thing. 

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Editorial: The US constitution deems anyone born in the country an American citizen. 

 

In 2005, Ireland amended its constitution to become the last country in Europe to abolish unconditional jus soli citizenship, as a direct result of concerns over birth tourism. - Wiki

 

The U.S. should do something to correct the previous interpretations of the 14 Constitutional Amendment to get this practice and birth tourism stopped!

 

But I fear it is too late now, especially with the influx of illegal migrants of voting age - a problem that is even more severe IMHO.

 

Editorial: Many believe she offended Thai people’s honour by making such a suggestion. After all, what’s wrong with being born in Thailand?

 

One can't be a U.S. anchor baby if one is born in Thailand! Next question... ?

 

Editorial: After all, if a mid-ranking police officer with a medical degree and a promising career still feels reluctant about raising a child in Thailand, perhaps we need to ask what’s wrong here.

 

How does the writer know the child will not be raised in Thailand? Is she applying for permanent residency in the U.S. based solely on her child's probable U.S. citizenship?


Editorial: What’s the problem with giving birth in Thailand. [sic]

Is it the medical facilities or is it the lack of opportunities for children to grow and develop.  [sic]

 

Tough questions. Let me think about this for a while and I'll get back to you ...

 

 

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Article is right.

 

Funny that the Thais (according the the article) are not upset at the lady suggesting law breaking and rather that they are upset at a loss of face.

 

So typical and exactly what anyone needs to know about Thai culture.

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Anchulee doing what mothers do, 

thinking about Future Forward Parenting.

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1 hour ago, webfact said:

Many believe she offended Thai people’s honour

more paper-thin, insecure thai nationalism

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Two words ''Options /choices''..Thailand offers neither.Any educated,freethinking parent who wants their child to ''GROW'' knows Thailand is stuck... IMHO the mother is simply saying , ''Thailand is wonderful but its not the be all, end all , I perfer my child to choose their own future''..

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1 hour ago, webfact said:

What’s the problem with giving birth in Thailand.

Many kids never see their father who moves on as soon as Morning sickness sets in, leaving mum to cope alone taking any job she can leaving the off-spring in the care of grandparents  That's a big problem.

 

Being born into a poor family like 80% of kids are which limits their diet; their schooling; their opportunities for employment.  That's a few other big problems. 

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An interesting and unusual article asking Thais to question some of the silly beliefs they hold for no good reason. I doubt they will but making them look at it is good.

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2 hours ago, webfact said:

Or are we and our leaders just wrapping ourselves proudly in the Thai flag so we don’t have to address these uncomfortable questions.

Years ago my Thai wife hounded me for months to get our daughter's American passport done. Why? She said "A person has more choices."

 

Having said that, I grew up in America and have lived in Thailand for a little over two decades. Unfortunately, even with all this experience I am not an expert about either country. But here is one observation that I have made. I often see Thai people walking around with t-shirts that display American symbols of some sort. And I don't see many Thais wearing t-shirts representing Thailand...

 

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2 hours ago, webfact said:

Or are we and our leaders just wrapping ourselves proudly in the Thai flag so we don’t have to address these uncomfortable questions.

Yes, You are!.....on so many levels!

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2 hours ago, webfact said:

Many believe she offended Thai people’s honour by making such a suggestion. After all, what’s wrong with being born in Thailand?

The illiterate ones and the ones in the junta could be. True honor in Thailand? Not going to go there.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Anchulee may have violated snobbish bureaucratic culture by highlighting the not-so-promising side of the Thai state and society, but did 

she violate protocol?

I bet she put some sour grapes in their 1000 dollar wine for sure!

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Thai nationalism, like nationalism elsewhere, has long been exploited by public figures and political leaders for their own gains.

This is what Thailand is all about. Nationalism for the Junta and the Elite. Certainly does not seems it is for the general citizens.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

After all, if a mid-ranking police officer with a medical degree and a promising career still feels reluctant about raising a child in Thailand, perhaps we need to ask what’s wrong here.

 

Yeah, USA has many things that are great and many down falls as well. But at least they are genuine for who is born on their soil from any country. But if the intention was to fool the system then the kid(s) should not be granted citizenship. USA should actually match each countries behavior to how the react to other countries procedures for having babies on their soil to non citizens. Thailand should be not allowed citizenship in the USA. Period!
 

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21 minutes ago, missoura said:

Years ago my Thai wife hounded me for months to get our daughter's American passport done. Why? She said "A person has more choices."

 

Having said that, I grew up in America and have lived in Thailand for a little over two decades. Unfortunately, even with all this experience I am not an expert about either country. But here is one observation that I have made. I often see Thai people walking around with t-shirts that display American symbols of some sort. And I don't see many Thais wearing t-shirts representing Thailand...

 

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I guess you missed the thousands wearing "Bike for Dad" shirts, eh? I've certainly seen a lot more Thai flag representations on shirts than U.S. flag representations. But maybe that's just me.

 

 

 

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Same thing happened in H.K. the mainland Chinese started coming over as tourists , then dropping ankle bitters, it became such a problem that the locals had a struggle getting a bed to drop their own , basically because of the privilege abuse ,  H.K. had to ban anyone from the mainland traveling, that were preggers or refused admission into the matty ward and sent back home.

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36 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Yes, You are!.....on so many levels!

Same as done by many in the USA. Thinking and questioning the way things are is too much for many people in all nationalities.

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