Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, Vacuum said: You don't have to shout! The currency you're talking about, is on a downhill road compared to the Thai currency, so I don't see the point in your suggestion. The point is simple the £ will not go to zero? The original question for those who were paying attention was...."didn't want buy 800k thai baht at todays exchange rate... Hence FCD in Sterling and it works for the extension... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 51 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said: The point from Immigration is simple : If you can't comply with either of these two methods then no you can't stay .. If you can muster up enough money for an agent then you can. If you can't afford 15k for an agent then you should not be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 39 minutes ago, stephenterry said: I haven't seen any report that FCD is accepted by Imm. The rules clearly state the currency is Baht, not the equivalent. However, using the income method backed up by pension statement the currency is converted to baht, so there is an anomaly there. Did mine at jomtien with one . in march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, yodsak said: If you can muster up enough money for an agent then you can. If you can't afford 15k for an agent then you should not be here. ฿1900 job done no agents....why if they push the mandatory health (they won't for o ext) and you turn up at the hospital under the table won't get you onto the table lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, yodsak said: Did mine at jomtien with one . in march. I'm a Brit, and in light of Brexit, the exchange rate for £ is about 40, so I'd rather keep my transfers in baht right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jesimps Posted May 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, Fairynuff said: Does anyone know of anyone who’s been caught? If you have or know someone who has please tell us. Let’s have sensible replies only please! Nobody will ever be "caught" because immigration have no interest in doing this. They'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face. The new rules were probably put into place to encourage more usage of the agents. Watch next time you're at your local IO to see agents walk in with loads of passports. They go straight to the front of the queue and get seen to first. If immigration wanted to stop this it'd be so easy, just grab all these agents and passports as they approach the counter. Instead, they're treated as the valued (and lucrative) customers that they are. If farang are to get "caught" doing this, there'll have to be a big purge on the IOs first, which there won't be. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 minute ago, stephenterry said: I'm a Brit, and in light of Brexit, the exchange rate for £ is about 40, so I'd rather keep my transfers in baht right now. Doom merchant bet you voted remain ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Graviton said: Doom merchant bet you voted remain ? As it affects my UK pension, and causing me to tone down my lifestyle back to basics, yes, I would have preferred to stay in the EU. If the UK crashes out under WTO rules, expect another fall in sterling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Graviton said: Doom merchant bet you voted remain ? Ok if the pound does crash your transfers will be, well worthless so its not a valid argument sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, stephenterry said: As it affects my UK pension, and causing me to tone down my lifestyle back to basics, yes, I would have preferred to stay in the EU. If the UK crashes out under WTO rules, expect another fall in sterling. Me too but i prepared in 2006? The only fall in Sterling would be orchestrated... Stop reading and listening to fear porn, remember if we didn't join the euro?? After brexit result uk grew. 85% world trade done on WTO. EU is screwed and if they don't get the £39 billion the multi annual financial framework is bankrupt have faith man 5th biggest economy..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotpoom Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I may be wrong (have never used an agent) but I cannot see why you would have a problem. Do it with the agent, during the following year lodge the 800,000 Bt. in a bank sometime before the 2 month period, 3 to be on the safe side). We hen it is due to be renewed get your letter from bank stating you have the money in the bank and the length of time it is there. Why would anybody care after that about your previous year once you have met all the requirements for the year you are applying for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Graviton said: ฿1900 job done no agents....why if they push the mandatory health (they won't for o ext) and you turn up at the hospital under the table won't get you onto the table lol... Yes of course. 1900bt job done if you have 800k.. ---- but job not done if you don't have 800k. then it's 15k and job done 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, stephenterry said: I'm a Brit, and in light of Brexit, the exchange rate for £ is about 40, so I'd rather keep my transfers in baht right now. I was answering your question about FCD being accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INV Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) It's easy to get a 1-year extension with a agent but as some poster said very risky if things change. You use an agent now, then some reshuffling happened in the top in the local immigration office your agent use. You come next extension and want to be legit but your bankbook is blank for that time it should not be. never was any 800k for 5 months and 400k the rest of the year. Then you are in deep shit, its all up to the new boss and his staff but if and I do say if ????they would follow the law and rules then you are the big crook here as of course, they will claim you as a foreigner doing bad things, not the agent and the officers involved before, they always go free. Heck not even have to be by the law, he just doesn't like your face or he pissed that you do not use an agent so he can make extra money, whatever shit that can happen. So IMO agent is now a very very bad idea. But of course, up to each person how that want to live here. Edited May 23, 2019 by INV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, dotpoom said: I may be wrong (have never used an agent) but I cannot see why you would have a problem. Do it with the agent, during the following year lodge the 800,000 Bt. in a bank sometime before the 2 month period, 3 to be on the safe side). We hen it is due to be renewed get your letter from bank stating you have the money in the bank and the length of time it is there. Why would anybody care after that about your previous year once you have met all the requirements for the year you are applying for? Sounds like you are not aware of the NEW rules. 800K pre-seasoning (2 or 3 months depending on enforcement policy of specific office) 800K must be in there for 3 months after the extension obtained Some offices will check that, some won't. It's too early to have case reports but we have a verbal report that failure on that would mean at least immediate cancellation of current permission to stay After that not under 400K for the rest of the year before the beginning of the seasoning period for the next extension. If your last extension was via a corrupt agent without having an account that is your money, and you just pre-season for the pre-seasoning period for the next extension trying to go legit, your account would not show the 400K period and it wouldn't show the 800K post seasoning period. It's way too early to have reports of this but the general consensus on this is that if you show up for a new extension and they can see you violated the 400K rule previously, you won't be eligible for a new extension. Your option would be to start over with a new O or OA visa. Starting with a new O visa in Thailand would mean proving the funds were imported from abroad. Some people have wondered if some offices will check for the 400K post seasoning compliance as well during the current extension. The general consensus is that they won't but of course nobody can say for sure as yet. I agree probably not. I agree it is probably something they will look at upon the NEXT extension application. Thus my position, start with an agent, you're stuck with an agent, or if for some reason you don't want to or the agent won't help you, there will be negative consequences and even possibly very negative consequences. GOOD LUCK! Edited May 23, 2019 by Jingthing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChouDoufu Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, dotpoom said: I may be wrong (have never used an agent) but I cannot see why you would have a problem. Do it with the agent, during the following year lodge the 800,000 Bt. in a bank sometime before the 2 month period, 3 to be on the safe side). We hen it is due to be renewed get your letter from bank stating you have the money in the bank and the length of time it is there. Why would anybody care after that about your previous year once you have met all the requirements for the year you are applying for? why indeed? see post #22 in this thread. member going in for 4th retirement extension at CW was asked to provide financial proof for the previous 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Sounds like you are not aware of the NEW rules. 800K pre-seasoning (2 or 3 months depending on enforcement policy of specific office 800K must be in there for 3 months after the extension obtained Some offices will check that, some won't. It's too early to have case reports but we have a verbal report that failure on that would mean at least immediate cancellation of current permission to stay After that not under 400K for the rest of the year before the beginning of the seasoning period for the next extension. If your last extension was via a corrupt agent without having an account that is your money, and you just pre-season for the pre-seasoning period for the next extension trying to go legit, your account would not show the 400K period and it wouldn't show the 800K post seasoning period. It's way to early to have reports of this but the general consensus on this is that if you show up for a new extension and they can see you violated the 400K rule previously, you won't be eligible for a new extension. Your option would be to start over with a new O or O visa. Starting with a new O visa in Thailand would mean proving the funds were imported from abroad. Thus my position, start with an agent, you're stuck with an agent, or if for some reason you don't want to or the agent won't help you, there will be negative consequences. GOOD LUCK! If you did it today legitimately you could not show the 400k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Graviton said: If you did it today legitimately you could not show the 400k? Sorry, you don't understand the rules. This is a new policy starting THIS year. In MARCH. They would not be looking BACKWARDS this year! Except of course for the standard 800K pre-seasoning period. Not back further than that, the new rules didn't exist before. It would be for the next extension! The OP asked if he did a corrupt application THIS YEAR and he wanted to switch to a legit application NEXT EXTENSION, would he have worries or not. I think he would most probably have a big problem. Edited May 23, 2019 by Jingthing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Sorry, you don't understand the rules. This is a new policy starting THIS year. In MARCH. They would not be looking BACKWARDS this year! Except of course for the standard 800K pre-seasoning period. Not back further than that, the new rules didn't exist before. It would be for the next extension! The OP asked if he did a corrupt application THIS YEAR and he wanted to switch to a legit application NEXT EXTENSION, would he have worries or not. I think he would most probably have a big problem. Agreed, and I definitely do know the knew rules, I READ THIS...If your last extension was via a corrupt agent without having an account that is your money, and you just pre-season for the pre-seasoning period for the next extension trying to go legit, your account would not show the 400K period and it wouldn't show the 800K post seasoning period. no this year here or next yr 7 minutes ago, Graviton said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I am inclined to feel once you start using an agent to bypass the requirements you may well be hooked and need to continue using one. One solution may well be to let the extension lapse and start from scratch with a new Non-Imm-O to get back onto the 'legit' status. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 It's unknown as yet if they'll look at the 3 month post seasoning period next year. That hasn't really been discussed much. It's fair to assume for legit applications for next year's extension they would be looking at the entire history -- Pre seasoning Post seasoning for last time 400k Post seasoning for last time 800K Why have that rule if people show up that have not complied will be treated the same as people that have? It's fair to assume and there is a consensus about (though that is not proof) that showing up next year with a 400K violation record will at least mean you wouldn't be eligible for an extension application. We don't know anything for sure about this stuff yet. But the OP asked if he was going to be OK with his plan and nobody can tell him that he will be OK. My thinking is that if he starts with an agent, he'll be locked in to using agents indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, jacko45k said: I am inclined to feel once you start using an agent to bypass the requirements you may well be hooked and need to continue using one. One solution may well be to let the extension lapse and start from scratch with a new Non-Imm-O to get back onto the 'legit' status. Yes of course you could start over. But that's not always so easy to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumak Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Tropposurfer said: The point from Immigration is simple : If you can't comply with either of these two methods then no you can't stay ... other than to leave Thailand. Good guys in cheap charlies (bad) guys out. It's really simple. What country in their right minds (however infrequently in their right minds) wants to have foreign people living in their society that can't muster a reasonable self-funding to live there!!!!!!! Well I've had enough of this income requirement ! I'm gonna take my money and go retire in Australia. Let me see what they want : oops, wait a second. Five hundred THOUSAND aus dollars ! uh, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Yes of course you could start over. But that's not always so easy to do. You may need the help of an agent....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) Look, we all know this ain't Kansas. If the system here is soaked in corruption, that's the way it is. My focus is what's best for the expats. Changing the system here is out of bounds. All I'm saying and people that have been using agents for many years will probably agree, starting with an agent will typically lead to staying with agents if you want to keep doing continuous extensions without getting a new O or O-A visa. Definitely with new rules even more so probably much more so. But is that the best thing for expats? Sure if nothing ever goes wrong it is. But you're dependent on outside forces that you have no control over. People that decide to try to keep complying with the actual rules at least have control over their actions to meet those rules (but doing that has become more difficult). Edited May 23, 2019 by Jingthing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 OP. 1. Plonk 800k in your bank 3 mths before your next visa and hope they don't check previous. risky 2 Plonk 800k in your bank 3 mths before your next visa and pay an agent to smooth the transition to legitimacy. 3 Leave and start again. exempt > non-o > retirement. 4 Carry on using an agent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I have heard person being sent to an agent over something minor, anyone else know of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 minute ago, yodsak said: OP. 1. Plonk 800k in your bank 3 mths before your next visa and hope they don't check previous. risky 2 Plonk 800k in your bank 3 mths before your next visa and pay an agent to smooth the transition to legitimacy. 3 Leave and start again. exempt > non-o > retirement. 4 Carry on using an agent. 2 is an interesting idea but it basically tells the agent's answer a lie, at least for one extra year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 start with an agent, you're stuck with an agent, That's not really true as you could start again, apply non imm O abroad or Thailand then apply for retirement extension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Graviton said: I have heard person being sent to an agent over something minor, anyone else know of this? Immigration are in cahoots with these agents and will likely direct you that way as it helps with the car payments. What would you regard as minor? If it was simply a missing copy of something, I would go copy it, if it was your failure to demonstrate income, it isn't minor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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