Jingthing Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: That's not really true as you could start again, apply non imm O abroad or Thailand then apply for retirement extension You've distorted what I've been saying and I do not appreciate it. I've been clear I'm talking about staying on CONTINUOUS extensions. The OP's question was OBVIOUSLY about a scenario of trying to do another continuous extension without a new visa. Obviously you can start over. But starting over is something that many of us would consider undesirable and a burden. Edited May 23, 2019 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve73 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, yodsak said: OP. 1. Plonk 800k in your bank 3 mths before your next visa and hope they don't check previous. risky 2 Plonk 800k in your bank 3 mths before your next visa and pay an agent to smooth the transition to legitimacy. 3 Leave and start again. exempt > non-o > retirement. 4 Carry on using an agent. 5. Stick 800k into your own account as soon as the agent get's your extension this year, and abide by the 800k/400k/800k for 3/6/3 months in preparation for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, steve73 said: 5. Stick 800k into your own account as soon as the agent get's your extension this year, and abide by the 800k/400k/800k for 3/6/3 months in preparation for next year. OK. But if you read the OP it's clear he doesn't want to do that. He's timing for a better exchange rate so that defeats the purpose of his goals. In any case if doing that I would fund the 800K a little bit before the current extension because the post seasoning rule of 800K starts at the exact date of the extension. Edited May 23, 2019 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, jacko45k said: Immigration are in cahoots with these agents and will likely direct you that way as it helps with the car payments. What would you regard as minor? If it was simply a missing copy of something, I would go copy it, if it was your failure to demonstrate income, it isn't minor. Not a photo copy, missing paper, incidentally any reason you have to draw a map.... no silly answers...... I find this totally bizarre... also what is the 400k locked forever for... cannot be used for living neither any of the 800k for 5 months........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Graviton said: Open a FCD and transfer money and it stays in your home currency.. Transfer say equivalent of 1 million baht to allow for fluctuations...FCD account no problem for your extension. Do you know any FCD accounts that pay interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: 2 hours ago, Graviton said: Post seasoning is the point. For new extension based on money you show bank statement for the 2 months...... and follow new rules If using an agent, no need for seasoning or 90 day proof of 800k Until you, the agent, or the corrupt IO gets caught. Guess who's going to be in the front line when the excrement hits the fan? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, Graviton said: Not a photo copy, missing paper, incidentally any reason you have to draw a map.... no silly answers...... I find this totally bizarre... also what is the 400k locked forever for... cannot be used for living neither any of the 800k for 5 months........ I find the requirements for an Extension based on marriage all bizarre and some are intrusive. I expect the map is so they can come pay you a visit. If the 400k was accessible for say emergency medical expenses that would make some sense, but of course, insisting you demonstrate you have sufficient funds to live on, and then prohibiting you from accessing them, is nonsense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Do you know any FCD accounts that pay interest? They all do put same poor rates.....its for say £ doubles for a day you just go to the branch with your FCD and thai savings and quickly take advantage..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, jacko45k said: I find the requirements for an Extension based on marriage all bizarre and some are intrusive. I expect the map is so they can come pay you a visit. If the 400k was accessible for say emergency medical expenses that would make some sense, but of course, insisting you demonstrate you have sufficient funds to live on, and then prohibiting you from accessing them, is nonsense. It props up the banks.....by the billions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 hours ago, crazykopite said: Cannot believe that people use agents if caught your time in Thailand would come to an end is it really worth the risk There is nothing wrong with using an agent if the rules are obeyed. It's simply for convenience. There are legitimate agents, and the dodgy ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: 3 hours ago, Graviton said: Post seasoning is the point. For new extension based on money you show bank statement for the 2 months...... and follow new rules If using an agent, no need for seasoning or 90 day proof of 800k But you sure are a life time costumer for hem in that case …., as your bank shall not change retroactive your passbook , history states as carved in stone ,and so also proof of fraud whenever could be checked closely ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 is an interesting idea but it basically tells the agent's answer a lie, at least for one extra year.I asked the agent about 2), i.e you have the 800k in the bank and they said its 8,000 baht for the extension 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 You've distorted what I've been saying and I do not appreciate it.Stay calm, i just quoted what you said including "stuck with an agent" implies no way out and need to stay with an agent which i explained isn't correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 Until you, the agent, or the corrupt IO gets caught. Guess who's going to be in the front line when the excrement hits the fan?Have you missed the action of BJ vs Agents? and the Agents and those connected won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophon Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said: That's not really true as you could start again, apply non imm O abroad or Thailand then apply for retirement extension But even if starting over with a new Non O from abroad, there is no guarantee that Immigration wouldn't ask for documentation that you kept up with the requirements for your previous extension. And if the agent was supplying the funds, you would not have any bank statements showing the funds you claimed to have at your latest extension. If there is enough of a time gap between you latest extension and you acquiring a new Non O, that is probably unlikely to happen. However, if you go straight from extension to a new Non O, it doesn't take much imagination from the Immigration officer to think of a likely reason why you didn't just apply for a new extension. Sophon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: 2 is an interesting idea but it basically tells the agent's answer a lie, at least for one extra year. I asked the agent about 2), i.e you have the 800k in the bank and they said its 8,000 baht for the extension 1900 and 6100 for agent where are you, seems steep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 But you sure are a life time costumer for hem in that case …., as your bank shall not change retroactive your passbook , history states as carved in stone ,and so also proof of fraud whenever could be checked closely ...Perfectly reasonable to change banks, close bank accounts and open new ones. If you have a closed account unlikely a bank would print out statements for you so no history to pass on. One rogue IO reported to have asked for 3 years statements 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delight Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 As I understand it the new 800/400 K rules were brought in to get rid of agents. Suspect that the opposite will happen.There could well be an expansion of visa extensions using this approach. Maybe that was their hidden motive all along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said: 56 minutes ago, david555 said: But you sure are a life time costumer for hem in that case …., as your bank shall not change retroactive your passbook , history states as carved in stone ,and so also proof of fraud whenever could be checked closely ... Perfectly reasonable to change banks, close bank accounts and open new ones. If you have a closed account unlikely a bank would print out statements for you so no history to pass on. One rogue IO reported to have asked for 3 years statements In a case of suspicious actions ,they can also know which banks someone ever used before in Thailand easy in the digital age ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Delight said: As I understand it the new 800/400 K rules were brought in to get rid of agents. Suspect that the opposite will happen.There could well be an expansion of visa extensions using this approach. Maybe that was their hidden motive all along. Its a lot more work for IOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 1900 and 6100 for agent where are you, seems steepClearly they'd prefer you going for the 12500 yearly option. No idea what other agents charge just for processing the correct docs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, david555 said: In a case of suspicious actions ,they can also know which banks someone ever used before in Thailand easy in the digital age ... You read to many spy books lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, scubascuba3 said: 6 minutes ago, Graviton said: 1900 and 6100 for agent where are you, seems steep Clearly they'd prefer you going for the 12500 yearly option. No idea what other agents charge just for processing the correct docs 1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said: 7 minutes ago, Graviton said: 1900 and 6100 for agent where are you, seems steep Clearly they'd prefer you going for the 12500 yearly option. No idea what other agents charge just for processing the correct docs Where are you based....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Graviton said: Where are you based....... soliciting …? Edited May 23, 2019 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 In a case of suspicious actions ,they can also know which banks someone ever used before in Thailand easy in the digital age ...No chance them being able to do that, they can't do simple stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 Where are you based.......Thailand. The exact location isn't relevant to the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, david555 said: In a case of suspicious actions ,they can also know which banks someone ever used before in Thailand easy in the digital age ... thailand isn't in the digital age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 The real answer to the question will not come until an applicant does not have the 800K in the bank for post seasoning (on purpose or not knowing he has too) or the 400 K at all times. That scenario would not occur until next year after march 2020. I would venture a guess that if one used an agent this year, the only relatively safe method for next year's extension would be to continue using the same agent again. I say relatively safe because things can happen to change the equation. If one was married- they could move from the retired extension to a marriage extension but would the IO even look to see if the 400K was in the bank the whole time or would he simply make sure it was in the bank 3 months prior to the marriage extension. A person could decide to not leave any of the money in the bank- and leave Thailand- return with a Non O and apply for a new extension. Again- would the IO enforce any of the issues for the 800K extension or simply ignore the past and go with what he was currently presented. I do know this- if I was inclined to use an agent this year- I would at least plan on using the same agent next year just to be safe and read various forums to see what is actually happening on the ground. As much as I do not like the new rules (it's not the money, but the bureaucracy) I would hesitate to use an agent . It's simply the unknown future that bothers me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, scubascuba3 said: 5 minutes ago, Graviton said: Where are you based....... Thailand. The exact location isn't relevant to the discussion Ok pay over the odds lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: 14 minutes ago, Graviton said: 1900 and 6100 for agent where are you, seems steep Clearly they'd prefer you going for the 12500 yearly option. No idea what other agents charge just for processing the correct docs 7000 in pattaya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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