EU citizens angry at being denied a vote in UK

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, Emdog said:

This seems rather strange to me. Why should citizens of other EU countries be allowed to vote in UK elections? Should I protest not be allowed to vote in Thai elections as I am a US citizen?

 

It's an election for EU MEP's by EU citizens. The arrangement is they all get to vote in which ever EU country they live in.

[Stupooey]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Which party is the anti Brexit party?

Corbyn has always been pro Brexit.

May supposedly leads Brexit.

Most Leave supporters who normally vote Conservative or Labour have defected to the Brexit Party. The relatively few that are left will be primarily Remainers, who remain loyal to their parties because they want corresponding representation in the European Parliament.

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, Emdog said:

This seems rather strange to me. Why should citizens of other EU countries be allowed to vote in UK elections? Should I protest not be allowed to vote in Thai elections as I am a US citizen?

Maybe not clear: this was NOT an UK election, but for the EU parliament, in which every EU citizen should be allowed to vote in his/her country of residence. Just as British were allowed to vote in Netherlands, every EU citizen should be allowed to vote in the U.K.

No, as Indian you could NOT vote for the Indian presidential election in the U.K. during this EU parliament election. ( how stupid a Brit can be ) 

But.. the Brits already proved their attitude towards "strangers". Therefore my advise to every non-Brit: leave as long as you still properly can. 1 Nov 2019.. your personal belongings might be under import duty when taken back "home'. 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Patriot1066 said:

Indeed you speak wisely!

 

Also who is investigating ‘EU’ immigrants voting in their own countries and ours. No one as those claiming not to be able to vote in today’s Guardian newspaper were all remainers. Why should foreign nationals be able vote outside their own country and try to change our political landscape. They should vote only in their own countries. Just another EU scam!

 

As usual from a Brexiter zero understanding of how a EU process actually works. So out of ignorance and xenophobia call it a scam and accuse all foreigners of vote cheating.

 

 

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, maingmoom said:

But I don't think they should be allowed to vote in this country. Only in there own which could be done by post

Read EU regulations about EU elections, when living in other EU member states. I know reading about EU is not the strongest habbit for a Brit. 

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

The people voted for OUT

No... 51,88 % of the people voted for a "kind of out", with 48,11% voted for "remain" = as it is.

Out of the several options of a "kidn of out", no parliamentory majority was found. However a Brexit with no deal, so propagated by a half eyes open politician, MPs surprised the government and voted by 312 to 308 to reject a no-deal Brexit under any circumstances. Nothing learnt, but close to an agreement: O U T  , for me.. 29 March already.

 

[Loiner]

5 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

No... 51,88 % of the people voted for a "kind of out", with 48,11% voted for "remain" = as it is.

Out of the several options of a "kidn of out", no parliamentory majority was found. However a Brexit with no deal, so propagated by a half eyes open politician, MPs surprised the government and voted by 312 to 308 to reject a no-deal Brexit under any circumstances. Nothing learnt, but close to an agreement: O U T  , for me.. 29 March already.

 

No we didn't vote for "kind of out", there was no question about that - only to Leave. That's what the form said. 

Yes, we should have left on 29th March, and the courts could well find that we did.  

[billd766]

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

You have anything to add to the topic at hand?

Do you?

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, mercman24 said:

EU rules are made by the unelected commission

Why so many Brits do not have an IDEA how the EU works ?

First of all, we have the European Council, consisting of the Prime ministers of the EU member states. No step is done without an acceptance in this council, so… with the signature of the British prime minister

European council of ministers, for their specific part, like.. all EU ministers of Agriculture

European commissioners, inclusive a British, appointed by the British Government

European parliament, elected in their respectively countries, as happened in the UK Friday 23 of May.

Any new regulation is written by EU officials together with specialists of the several EU member states. Quite often Brits go – easiest – by High Speed train to Brussels for advice, remarks etc.

Out of this negotiations comes a proposal, which goes to the council of Commissioners, and then to the Counsel of (prime ministers). Be sure a lot of backwards discussion are done in that period. No minister signs without agreement with his/her government.

Then even quite often, a new regulation has to be ratified in all EU member states parliament.

For sure , your Boris the Liar is very familiar with that out of the time he was reporter based in “Brussels” but sent a lot of lies back to UK.

Bye-the-way: how many members of your Hosue of Lords are elected ? 

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Surely the EU election in the UK is the second referendum?

But not good enough for you because Brexit is likely to win again.

with… 40 % ? 

[billd766]

7 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

This is a pity. It will serve to undermine what will be a well-deserved and spectacular win for the Brexit Party. 

It is nothing to do with the Brexit party at all.

 

It is about EU citizens voting for MEP candidates in their own countries whilst living in the UK.

 

quote from the OP  

"I'm an EU citizen and registered to vote in time, but apparently my form saying that I was going to vote in the UK didn't arrive before the deadline," said Ana Clara Paniago.

 

The UK's election watchdog said if an EU citizen wanted to vote in Britain rather than their home state, they had to transfer their right to do so 12 days ahead of the poll.

 

"We understand the frustration of some citizens of other EU member states, resident in the UK, who have been finding they are unable to vote today when they wish to do so," the Electoral Commission said in a statement.

 

"The very short notice from the government of the UK's participation in these elections impacted on the time available for awareness of this process amongst citizens, and for citizens to complete the process."

 

You could try blaming the civil servants for not doing their job properly but then you have to go up the food chain, ultimately to TM whose botched attempts failed to have the UK Brexit leave on 29th March, thus forcing the UK to have an election for MEPs that nobody in the UK or EU wanted.

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, twocatsmac said:

Poor old Johnny Foreigner not being able to vote in a foreign country, I wonder which way they would have voted.

Next thing they’ll want is to work and claim benefits, buy land and a house, access free healthcare, free schooling for their children, subsidised dental treatment, stand in elections, bring their families over. 

Only joking, no country could afford that amount of generosity surely.

Because Johnny Foreigner also pays tax in the U.K.

Just as all in the other EU member states, and get there the same benefits, sometimes hidden in the overall taxes, sometimes specified by paying it themselves via an - forced on - insurance. ( e.g NL Health care: you pay direct 12 x € 110/month + max own risk of € 385 + 6,9 % direct taxes yourself. The rest, till covered a € 95 BILLION / 17,2 mln Dutch = € 5600/per person) comes from the Great Common Vault, also calles 'States Treasury. In UK, soon ( 1 Nov): 350 mln pounds a week not "burned in "Brussels", but direct to the NHS.

That's why so many Brits are pensionarios in Spain.

 

[stevenl]

55 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No. Mine was a real one, at the ballot box.
If they had sorted out their postal votes properly they would not have a problem, the votes going to their home country. The other ones cannot expect to vote at UK polling stations for UK candidates. If they have established entitlement to a UK vote, then it falls into the political engineering category.

Ah sorry, since this is a Thailand related forum I presumed you are living here, hence the reference to ballot paper by post.

Rest of the post stands.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, twocatsmac said:

Poor old Johnny Foreigner not being able to vote in a foreign country, I wonder which way they would have voted.

Next thing they’ll want is to work and claim benefits, buy land and a house, access free healthcare, free schooling for their children, subsidised dental treatment, stand in elections, bring their families over. 

Only joking, no country could afford that amount of generosity surely.

You seem to have misread the OP. They actually wanted to vote for MEPs in their OWN country, NOT for UK MEPs as they are allowed to do in the same way that British citizens are allowed to vote in the EU for UK MEPs.

 

A poor attempt at a joke, if indeed it was one.

[brewsterbudgen]

Why so many Brits do not have an IDEA how the EU works ?


First of all, we have the European Council, consisting of the Prime ministers of the EU member states. No step is done without an acceptance in this council, so… with the signature of the British prime minister


European council of ministers, for their specific part, like.. all EU ministers of Agriculture


European commissioners, inclusive a British, appointed by the British Government


European parliament, elected in their respectively countries, as happened in the UK Friday 23 of May.


Any new regulation is written by EU officials together with specialists of the several EU member states. Quite often Brits go – easiest – by High Speed train to Brussels for advice, remarks etc.

Out of this negotiations comes a proposal, which goes to the council of Commissioners, and then to the Counsel of (prime ministers). Be sure a lot of backwards discussion are done in that period. No minister signs without agreement with his/her government.

Then even quite often, a new regulation has to be ratified in all EU member states parliament.

For sure , your Boris the Liar is very familiar with that out of the time he was reporter based in “Brussels” but sent a lot of lies back to UK.


Bye-the-way: how many members of your Hosue of Lords are elected ? 

Brexiteers know very little about how the EU works.

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[billd766]

3 hours ago, Stupooey said:

So if the Brexit Party vote is 30%, and the anti-Brexit Party vote is 70%, you will accept that Brexit is no longer the "will of the people", not that it ever was?

 

So if the Brexit Party vote is 70%, and the anti-Brexit Party vote is 30%, you will accept that Brexit IS the "will of the people", which it was according to the votes of those who could be bothered to vote.

[puipuitom]

29 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Brexiteers know very little about how the EU works.

Therefore… listen to what Charles de Gaulle already said in 1961: "The British are NOT interested in what happens inside the EEC, only..to take over control to manouvre it into the direction THEY want. Better keep them out". 

 

I already see the coming situation:

after weeks till months Boris the Liar is the new Prime Minister of the UK, and thinks it still works as how the British took over Birma: order the king to leave, 10 minutes time, or the British Navy will start bombarding his palace".

O.K., they cannot refuse him seen his diplomatic passport, but all others… have to apply for a Schengen visa.

Then.. he is NOT allowed to enter the EU buildings, so must ask at the reception for a meeting with ? ? They might answer: 'sorry, no time in this short notice, as we have a golf course meeting now. Phone our deputy assistant secretary to make an appoitment for.. somewhere 2021"... 

No hurry, as British industry already migrated to the EU, British industry has dramatic problems to sell their output in... Belize, Malawi, Suza Islands, and  for imports.. they have no better alternative than still buy in the EU.

Maybe when the British pound is reduced to an once… 

[Mavideol]

some of the Brexiteers keep claiming UK democracy.... here it's a proof

[wreckingcountry]

If “Eu citizens “ are on the electoral register in UK they can vote ! All this Europhile Bull about denied a vote !

 

 

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[Thongkorn]

I know what i voted for as a Brexiteer, as named, i voted Leave, becasue i dont like unelected people, who cannot be sacked reprimanded, Who go in a room in secret lock the door them make Laws for 500 million people, I joined a Common TRADE Market not a political Qango,

[billd766]

17 minutes ago, wreckingcountry said:

If “Eu citizens “ are on the electoral register in UK they can vote ! All this Europhile Bull about denied a vote !

 

 

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Go back to the OP and read it slowly and carefully.

 

They ARE entitled to vote at UK polling stations for MEPs in their own countries provided that they are using their registered UK address and have the correct ballot paper for that country.

 

Seemingly what happened is that they were registered to vote but some stupid civil servants, who are somewhat ignorant of the EU rules. thought that they were going to elect UK MEPs and had their names struck from the list,

 

It was an administrative error but you can rest assured that no punishments will be given.

[malagateddy]

Maybe not clear: this was NOT an UK election, but for the EU parliament, in which every EU citizen should be allowed to vote in his/her country of residence. Just as British were allowed to vote in Netherlands, every EU citizen should be allowed to vote in the U.K.
No, as Indian you could NOT vote for the Indian presidential election in the U.K. during this EU parliament election. ( how stupid a Brit can be ) 
But.. the Brits already proved their attitude towards "strangers". Therefore my advise to every non-Brit: leave as long as you still properly can. 1 Nov 2019.. your personal belongings might be under import duty when taken back "home'. 

Is that or will it be that what you are saying will be the future law if your country of origin??

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[malagateddy]

Therefore… listen to what Charles de Gaulle already said in 1961: "The British are NOT interested in what happens inside the EEC, only..to take over control to manouvre it into the direction THEY want. Better keep them out". 
 
I already see the coming situation:
after weeks till months Boris the Liar is the new Prime Minister of the UK, and thinks it still works as how the British took over Birma: order the king to leave, 10 minutes time, or the British Navy will start bombarding his palace".
O.K., they cannot refuse him seen his diplomatic passport, but all others… have to apply for a Schengen visa.
Then.. he is NOT allowed to enter the EU buildings, so must ask at the reception for a meeting with ? ? They might answer: 'sorry, no time in this short notice, as we have a golf course meeting now. Phone our deputy assistant secretary to make an appoitment for.. somewhere 2021"... 
No hurry, as British industry already migrated to the EU, British industry has dramatic problems to sell their output in... Belize, Malawi, Suza Islands, and  for imports.. they have no better alternative than still buy in the EU.
Maybe when the British pound is reduced to an once… 

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[Thongkorn]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

Maybe not clear: this was NOT an UK election, but for the EU parliament, in which every EU citizen should be allowed to vote in his/her country of residence. Just as British were allowed to vote in Netherlands, every EU citizen should be allowed to vote in the U.K.

No, as Indian you could NOT vote for the Indian presidential election in the U.K. during this EU parliament election. ( how stupid a Brit can be ) 

But.. the Brits already proved their attitude towards "strangers". Therefore my advise to every non-Brit: leave as long as you still properly can. 1 Nov 2019.. your personal belongings might be under import duty when taken back "home'. 

Yes Brits have proved their attitude towards Strangers , Free housing, health care, Social security , Not allowed to celebrate ST George day, Because it upsets a Religion of peace, No go areas in British City's, sharia law imposed although illegal. Senior citysens cannot get Doctor or Hospital  Appointments when they most need it, becasue Hospitals overworked becasue of Strangers , meat  which is killed cruelly because  it has to be halal,  and people not told about it, Yes a strange attitude towards Strangers,

[stevenl]

49 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Therefore… listen to what Charles de Gaulle already said in 1961: "The British are NOT interested in what happens inside the EEC, only..to take over control to manouvre it into the direction THEY want. Better keep them out". 

 

I already see the coming situation:

after weeks till months Boris the Liar is the new Prime Minister of the UK, and thinks it still works as how the British took over Birma: order the king to leave, 10 minutes time, or the British Navy will start bombarding his palace".

O.K., they cannot refuse him seen his diplomatic passport, but all others… have to apply for a Schengen visa.

Then.. he is NOT allowed to enter the EU buildings, so must ask at the reception for a meeting with ? ? They might answer: 'sorry, no time in this short notice, as we have a golf course meeting now. Phone our deputy assistant secretary to make an appoitment for.. somewhere 2021"... 

No hurry, as British industry already migrated to the EU, British industry has dramatic problems to sell their output in... Belize, Malawi, Suza Islands, and  for imports.. they have no better alternative than still buy in the EU.

Maybe when the British pound is reduced to an once… 

Of course Schengen visa will not be required, same as e.g. for citizens of USA it is not required, and in the past travelers between UK and European countries did not require a visa.

14 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

 

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Go back to the OP and read it slowly and carefully.

 

They ARE entitled to vote at UK polling stations for MEPs in their own countries provided that they are using their registered UK address and have the correct ballot paper for that country.

 

Seemingly what happened is that they were registered to vote but some stupid civil servants, who are somewhat ignorant of the EU rules. thought that they were going to elect UK MEPs and had their names struck from the list,

 

It was an administrative error but you can rest assured that no punishments will be given.

Seems very difficult to understand for many on here.

[geoffbezoz]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Seems very difficult to understand for many on here.

Agreed and it seems always it is the Brexiteers that are unable to comprehend. Every picture tells a story as they say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stupooey]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

So if the Brexit Party vote is 70%, and the anti-Brexit Party vote is 30%, you will accept that Brexit IS the "will of the people", which it was according to the votes of those who could be bothered to vote.

 

Of course I will. Not only that, if the Brexit Party vote is 70% I promise to run naked through the streets of London (and show you something to make you change your mind).

[Stupooey]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

You seem to have misread the OP. They actually wanted to vote for MEPs in their OWN country, NOT for UK MEPs as they are allowed to do in the same way that British citizens are allowed to vote in the EU for UK MEPs.

 

A poor attempt at a joke, if indeed it was one.

Perhaps you should you should try reading it again. The OP clearly refers to EU nationals resident in the UK who have chosen to participate in the UK election, which they are entitled to do provided they have registered in advance. People who had registered were turning up at polling stations, only to find that their names were not on the electoral roll. Good for the Brexit Party, as I doubt whether many of these people would have been voting for them, but I'm sure it won't be crucial, rather like the votes from New Zealand that went astray during the Thai election.

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Of course Schengen visa will not be required, same as e.g. for citizens of USA it is not required, and in the past travelers between UK and European countries did not require a visa.

 

With the USA the EU has an agreement. And what was in the past... does NOT need to be the reality in the future.

If the UK leaves with "no deal", there is.. no deal, only WTO etc = … get a Schengen visa.