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Mandatory health insurance for over 50s in Thailand only affects those on Non-Immigrant Visa O-A

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59 minutes ago, HuaHinHim said:

So I have the O-A visa in my passport which was issued based on marriage to a Thai and we also have a child. So that means I need insurance or not? Clear as mud

 

30 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Where did you apply for the original visa and when and what was requested when the original visa application forms were filled, requested an O or an O-A visa?

 

Perhaps the embassy/consulate erroneously issued you with an O-A visa when it should have been an O visa.

 

The health insurance will in future be required for an O-A visa which has certain other requirements.

I would be interested in clarifying this, like HuaHinHim I was issued a Non Imm visa based on being married to a Thai and having a Thai child, but my visa clearly states its an O, and not an O-A. Seems one of us may have been issued with the wrong visa type, or maybe it was just a typo error on the visa ?

 

Im still yet to find out what the difference is between an O visa and O-A visa. Does anyone know ?

 

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Its amazing really Thailand has not insisted on  health insurance for all visas. When  my thai wife went Europe (schengen ) and UK always part of the visa was health insurance. A lot of problems not with the old folks, but young idiots riding a moto pissed and ending up with broken bones and NO insurance, that's really costing Thailand a lot of money. 

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27 minutes ago, IHTE said:

Go to a dozen immigration offices and you will 12 different opinions. 

If it's big enough you could get 12 different opinions from the same immigration office. 😉

However, as others have already pointed out Immigration Offices in Thailand are unlikely to be involved with this as the insurance is likely to be checked when applying for a NON O-A Visa at a Thai Embassy or Consulate in your home country, not in Thailand.

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2 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Who said expats don't need one?? Probably Thailand was thinking that expats (on Extensions) were wise enough to cover themselves with an insurance, while tourists on Visa tend to forget or ignore this "detail"...

I agree. They tend to forget the details.

 

I have several friends on OA visas as they thought this was the smart way not to bring in 800/65K a month because they cannot afford it. They don't have much more than 800K in the bank at home and they don't have insurance and one incident would wipe them all out. I had one friend have a bike accident, had to pay up 430K to get fixed and now cannot come back to Thailand. I think immigration is picking on these guys for such reasons I have seen. I cannot see further changes for some time to other visa classes. The guys on extensions have to have 800/65K here, they need to season it and the government knows this now. The OA guys did not need to do this. So the easy fix is if you don't want to pay insurance, get an extension, pay up 800/65K and end of story for now.

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2 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

Not to wrangle over this, but when it comes to insurance, where is the logic in differentiating between retirees on a visa and those on an extension of stay?

LOGIC??! Hilarious! TIT!

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4 hours ago, webfact said:

 

I still cannot determine if this applies to me or not.  I am not applying for an O-A, I am on one, not on an O or extension of anything.  In one place the article says "on" and in another place it says "seeking".  ????????????????

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2 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

Not to wrangle over this, but when it comes to insurance, where is the logic in differentiating between retirees on a visa and those on an extension of stay?

O-A Visa holders do not have any money in Thailand.

Those on extensions do.

 

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2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

This is a good and helpful clarification of the vagueness of the original MOPH announcement re required insurance for O-A visa applicants.

I don't read or understand Thai and therefore have no idea of knowing to what extent, if any the announcement on the website of the Ministry of Public Health my be vague.

 

For the same reason, I cannot express myself on the accuracy of the translation of that announcement.

 

I suspect, though, that some of the press reports based on statements made by some government officials were a bit muddled and consequently also the English translation thereof.

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To me, it means that if you are on an extension of stay you do not need the insurance.  It is only for those applying for a visa that has to have the insurance. Does it make sense?  No, it does not. But I will accept it because it benefits me.  But I am sure there will be more to come in the future.

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3 hours ago, dotpoom said:

Despite this very clear and precise information...what odds will you lay that possibly as soon as tomorrow there will be an OP asking ..."Who exactly has to get the new Health Insurance to stay in Thailand"?

 

It was already clear since the first time it was spoken about, so as you can see, even people like you need more details and repeated information <3

 

 

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6 minutes ago, myjawe said:

It was already clear since the first time it was spoken about

Then why does it say in one place "seeking" and in another "on"?

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2 hours ago, sidelines said:

Clear and precise it ain't. What about people like me who have both an  O-A Visa stamp in their passport AND an Extension Of Stay based on Retirement (which is what O-A Visa holders progress to after a year)?

Originally, the word "seeking" is used - presumably meaning someone applying for an O-A Viaa at a Thai Consulate overseas - before muddying the waters by talking about Extension of Stays.

Retirees on Non-O visas and Non O-A visas alike progress onto the same Extension of Stay. 

What is not explained in the article is if the former must now have insurance while the latter is not under such a requirement. That would seem nonsensical especially as my Non O-A has long since expired (but remains in my passport) and I am living here on an Extension Of Stay (same as those people who originally had a Non O visa) but stranger things have happened in Thailand.

O-A visa holders do not necessarily have to progress to an extension after the first year, they have the option of applying for a new O-A in their home country, and if they stretch their previous O-A visa by doing a border run on the last day they can make it last two years.

You are right about it not being clear though...I can't see them letting it stand that the only difference between those who require health insurance and those who don't is whether or not you are on a visa or an extension of stay, if they worded the order wrong it is extremely likely they will correct it.

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13 minutes ago, fishtank said:

O-A Visa holders do not have any money in Thailand.

Those on extensions do.

 

Need to be a little more clear on that, O-A Visa holders used the money they have in accounts in their home country to apply for the visa. It is likely they have money in Thailand as they live there, but they may not have the amount required by visa application requirements there.

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