Doctors warn of ‘reefer madness’ as people react badly to cannabis medicines

[RJRS1301]

14 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Rather like saying people who  smoked cigarettes and got lung cancer had a pre disposition, just an excuse with no evidence at all

No nothing like that at all, but it is too tiresome to keep referring people to the evidence from several European countries and Israel regarding  medicinal cannabis, and recreational use.

There are many peer reviewed studies regarding mental health and high recreational cannabis use. Do some research please.

There are no so blind as they who cannot see.

 

 

[mogandave]

No nothing like that at all, but it is too tiresome to keep referring people to the evidence from several European countries and Israel regarding  medicinal cannabis, and recreational use.
There are many peer reviewed studies regarding mental health and high recreational cannabis use. Do some research please.
There are no so blind as they who cannot see.
 
 

By “peer” reviewed studies, do they mean the people performing the studies, and the people reviewing the studies are all getting loaded?

[RJRS1301]

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

By “peer” reviewed studies, do they mean the people performing the studies, and the people reviewing the studies are all getting loaded?

 

Lol No ????

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[lamyai3]

On 5/25/2019 at 9:57 AM, Bert got kinky said:

In the 60s many people were duped into believing the ‘Reefer madness’ claims but that was in a time before the information highway, which allows us to carry out their own research and download actual medical studies/tests.

The movie of the same name was made in 1936, which is perhaps fitting for an administration that still insists on forms showing people to be free of elephantiasis, leprosy and TB. By the 60s most of the west had got the message that reefer madness was a crock.

 

Interesting how the original movie indicated a downward spiral into degradation, promiscuity, alcoholism, prostitution and general moral collapse. Of course it'd be difficult to imagine any of these things happening in Thailand. 

[lamyai3]

On 5/25/2019 at 12:44 PM, ThaiFelix said:

Oh yes of course..."Reefer Madness" is the problem.   And this from the country where I was told not to eat chicken if I have a bad back.......and particularly not on a Tuesday!!

The chicken gets delivered on Wednesday. If you're still eating it by the following Tuesday you're likely to spend most of the day on the hong nahm, exacerbating any back issues you may have. 

[lamyai3]

On 5/25/2019 at 4:01 PM, pacovl46 said:

He started hearing voices which disappeared after he stopped smoking. 

Those were the voices of his friends, he was hogging the joint. 

[mogandave]

The movie of the same name was made in 1936, which is perhaps fitting for an administration that still insists on forms showing people to be free of elephantiasis, leprosy and TB. By the 60s most of the west had got the message that reefer madness was a crock.
 
Interesting how the original movie indicated a downward spiral into degradation, promiscuity, alcoholism, prostitution and general moral collapse. Of course it'd be difficult to imagine any of these things happening in Thailand. 

There was no movie titled “Reefer Madness” in 1936.

The 1936 movie was titled “Tell Your Children”, and it is the same movie that was rereleased as “Reefer Madness” in 1972.

In my opinion, grass is absolutely a gateway drug.

[lamyai3]

53 minutes ago, mogandave said:

There was no movie titled “Reefer Madness” in 1936.

The 1936 movie was titled “Tell Your Children”, and it is the same movie that was rereleased as “Reefer Madness” in 1972.

In my opinion, grass is absolutely a gateway drug.
 

 

The movie was already colloquially known as Reefer Madness in the 30's. Here's a number of popular posters from the era which perhaps the Thai medical experts could draw on for inspiration:

https://mashable.com/2016/04/18/anti-weed-film-posters/

[KhunFred]

Different individuals will react differently when using cannabis. This is a substance that I have never been able to tolerate. I really don't understand the attraction to a weed that makes me paranoid and upset. I suppose it does relieve pain but the other side effects are not worth it.

[KhaoYai]

On 5/25/2019 at 2:54 AM, dotpoom said:

I know very little about this subject ..but like many of my age group ((70's) have down through the years been rubbing shoulders with hundreds, if not thousands of folk who have been puffing the weed or dabbling with it in various ways....My question is...How come I never heard of all these side effects from these folk that are being talked about in this article (hospitals getting packed from people using it).

   Just a thought?

Firstly, take a look at my earier post - that should explain why the problems with 'medicinal cannabis' are occuring - its not actually cannabis, well, not as we know it.

 

But another important point to make about weed in general, and I'm a supporter of legalisation in general, is that the weed that's around today is far stronger than that which you grew up with. Kids today, don't just want to get high, they want to get 'out of their tree'. Its this stronger weed, with very high THC levels that is causing psychosis and other very real medical probems.  In breeding hybrids that seem to have ever increasing THC levels, the industry is its own worst enemy.

[RJRS1301]

11 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

There was no movie titled “Reefer Madness” in 1936.

The 1936 movie was titled “Tell Your Children”, and it is the same movie that was rereleased as “Reefer Madness” in 1972.

In my opinion, grass is absolutely a gateway drug.
 

 

One could suggest it is a gateway to relaxation, 

Many long term studies from across the globe indicate that what have suggested is incorrect, but that is your opinion,

 

 

[RJRS1301]

50 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Firstly, take a look at my earier post - that should explain why the problems with 'medicinal cannabis' are occuring - its not actually cannabis, well, not as we know it.

 

But another important point to make about weed in general, and I'm a supporter of legalisation in general, is that the weed that's around today is far stronger than that which you grew up with. Kids today, don't just want to get high, they want to get 'out of their tree'. Its this stronger weed, with very high THC levels that is causing psychosis and other very real medical probems.  In breeding hybrids that seem to have ever increasing THC levels, the industry is its own worst enemy.

Please read the information regarding the difference between Medicinal and recreational cannabis

 

I posted some links several pages ago if you care to read the peer reviewed research

 

[mogandave]

One could suggest it is a gateway to relaxation, 
Many long term studies from across the globe indicate that what have suggested is incorrect, but that is your opinion,
 
 

I don’t doubt the industry has funded any number of studies that show how great it is, I remember all the studies showing cigarettes were harmless and the Earth was entering an ice age.

What percentage of pot-heads have not tried other drugs?

You could argue that legalization would reduce the likelihood of it being a gateway drug, but to claim it is not a gateway drug is (in my opinion) foolish.

[RJRS1301]

8 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

I don’t doubt the industry has funded any number of studies that show how great it is, I remember all the studies showing cigarettes were harmless and the Earth was entering an ice age.

What percentage of pot-heads have not tried other drugs?

You could argue that legalization would reduce the likelihood of it being a gateway drug, but to claim it is not a gateway drug is (in my opinion) foolish.

 

The studies were carried out long before the thought of Medicinal cannabis, carried out by mental health experts/ drug addiction specialists and universities, no industries in those days.

 

Many substance users ( heroin /mdma meth opioids/speed) have not used recreational weed. Read the long-term research and gain some insight.

 

 

[mogandave]

The studies were carried out long before the thought of Medicinal cannabis, carried out by mental health experts/ drug addiction specialists and universities, no industries in those days.
 
Many substance users ( heroin /mdma meth opioids/speed) have not used recreational weed. Read the long-term research and gain some insight.
 
 

So they are all really old long term studies, how convenient...

People that want grass legal always say heroin addicts never used grass.

I have known hundreds and perhaps thousand of heroin addicts and they most all smoked grass at some point.

Read the old long term research you mean? You seem like an expert, do you have a link to one?

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

So they are all really old long term studies, how convenient...

People that want grass legal always say heroin addicts never used grass.

I have known hundreds and perhaps thousand of heroin addicts and they most all smoked grass at some point.

Read the old long term research you mean? You seem like an expert, do you have a link to one?
 

 

 

Yes many heroin users have used weed , but that in itself does not make the weed a "gateway drug", they have also used nicotine and alcohol in most cases, are these also gateway drugs?

 

Most people who use recreational cannabis do NOT go on to use other illicit substances

 

I am no longer working in addictions, and the research I speak of was published back late 80s and early 90s.

 

I have included a couple of recent links you may find interesting, but I suggest some deeper research would be of benefit to you 

However this debate is NOT about recreational cannabis use, but medicinal cannaboids extract, two totally different substances

 

Happy research 

 

 

 

 

https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/DebunkingGatewayMyth_NY_0.pdf

https://www.drugrehab.com/guides/gateway-drugs/

[mogandave]

 
Yes many heroin users have used weed , but that in itself does not make the weed a "gateway drug", they have also used nicotine and alcohol in most cases, are these also gateway drugs?
 
Most people who use recreational cannabis do NOT go on to use other illicit substances
 
I am no longer working in addictions, and the research I speak of was published back late 80s and early 90s.
 
I have included a couple of recent links you may find interesting, but I suggest some deeper research would be of benefit to you 
However this debate is NOT about recreational cannabis use, but medicinal cannaboids extract, two totally different substances
 
Happy research 
 
 
 
 
https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/DebunkingGatewayMyth_NY_0.pdf
https://www.drugrehab.com/guides/gateway-drugs/

Most people that start by drinking milk don’t go on to become heroin addicts either.

Most people that drink in bars don’t go to jail for drunk driving, but people that go out drinking in bars are more likely to go to jail for drunk driving, than people that don’t, just as people that hang around with people that get loaded, and go to places where people get loaded are more likely to get loaded.

The one link you provided admitted grass was a gateway drug, the other is a pro-legal weed website.

[RJRS1301]

17 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Most people that start by drinking milk don’t go on to become heroin addicts either.

Most people that drink in bars don’t go to jail for drunk driving, but people that go out drinking in bars are more likely to go to jail for drunk driving, than people that don’t, just as people that hang around with people that get loaded, and go to places where people get loaded are more likely to get loaded.

The one link you provided admitted grass was a gateway drug, the other is a pro-legal weed website.

 

Read the research it had used weed, but continue reading.

Check out some of the earlier research from universities, my last post on this issue as you seem to be reluctant to read the research irrespective of source.

Happy researching

 

[mogandave]

Check out some of the earlier research from universities, my last post on this issue...
 

That’s what I thought

[from the home of CC]

yes some react badly to cannabis when they are jailed for up to a year for possession...

[robblok]

On 5/25/2019 at 9:25 AM, Dumbastheycome said:

I have no  cause to defer from your post. But as a previous recreational smoker I have both observed and suffered rare occasions of "over smoke" symptoms.

I was a habitual heavy user for over 30 years.

 

Not too bad if you have had rare occasions of over smoke symptoms. Just imagine if you were a heavy user of alcohol for 30 years. I bet the effects would have been a lot worse. 

[Dumbastheycome]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Not too bad if you have had rare occasions of over smoke symptoms. Just imagine if you were a heavy user of alcohol for 30 years. I bet the effects would have been a lot worse. 

lol. I now regularly imbibe red wine. Only one full glass per day as some  medical opinion suggests is  healthy. It just happens that the glass I use is an over sized Brandy balloon.????

[lamyai3]

5 hours ago, mogandave said:

People that want grass legal always say heroin addicts never used grass.

I have known hundreds and perhaps thousand of heroin addicts and they most all smoked grass at some point.

 

This is as much about the way drugs have always been procured illegally as anything else. Eric Clapton had no desire to become a heroin addict in the 70s, but his dealer refused to sell him cocaine unless he also bought some heroin at the same time. 

[pacovl46]

19 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

Those were the voices of his friends, he was hogging the joint. 

???? good one! It was really bad, though! 

[KhaoYai]

7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Please read the information regarding the difference between Medicinal and recreational cannabis

 

I posted some links several pages ago if you care to read the peer reviewed research

 

I am fully aware of the differences. The medicinal benefits of cannabis were discovered by people using the drug in its natural form. Its my belief that the medicinal versions are compounds made from cannabis extracts that their proponents claim to be the components that contain the medically beneficial elements. I'd suggest that the reasons for this are more to do with a fear that letting people use the drug in its natural state could lead to legalisation for everyone rather than an attempt to produce a medically effective substance.

[KhaoYai]

The arguments against the legalisation of cannabis for recreational use have never had any reasoned justification in my opinion.  A great many substances are harmful if too much is consumed. Alcohol is a drug and when used to excess is proven to be harmful yet its legal.

 

It terms of addiction, there is some evidence that cannabis, especially the newer, stronger versions can be addictive/create dependency. Once again, alcohol can also become addictive - hence alcoholics, yet its legal. I believe that countries that ban the use of cannabis for recreational purposes are nothing more than Nanny States - people have choices.

 

There is no evidence that when used in moderation, cannabis is harmful to society and therefore no justification in banning its use. That is not to suggest that all drugs should be legalised - clearly some of the more highly addictive drugs cause severe social problems.  A 'crack' addict for example, is very likely to be a mini crime wave - stealing to feed their habit.

 

It is this unjustified fear of legalisation that creates a situation where countries only legalise 'medicinal cannabis' which has had its 'high's' removed. The consequences of this seem to be becoming clear.  Its not only Thailand that's reported adverse reactions to medicinal cannabis. It seems clear to me that these adverse effects are more to do with how the drug has been altered.

 

Its about time that governments let us make our own choices about cannabis.

[EVENKEEL]

Again I ask???????/ Can foreigners get med ganja in Thailand?????

[mogandave]

Again I ask???????/ Can foreigners get med ganja in Thailand?????

Yes

[JeffreyO]

Considering CBD is the non-psychoactive substance, that's THC, this is more than likely a fake hit-job article.  That is, unless, the Thai companies producing these drugs aren't removing all the THC as they should.

[EVENKEEL]

On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 4:00 AM, mogandave said:

 

Yes

 

Does the Doc issue it or how does it work.???? I'm on the high seas, my responses are slow.