onthemoon Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 hours ago, peter2186 said: A material Safety data sheet is of course useful, but the container should have had a Hazchem or Hazmat sign applied to it that is easier to understand and provides adequate information in pictorial form, to cope with an emergency. In addition one would have thought that any hazardous materials imported into Thailand would be subject to some form of control and inspection before the ship was allowed to berth and the MSDS provided up front Rest assured, all information is relayed to the port and to the authorities in advance. Industrial accidents do happen though, that's why there is a well trained fire fighting and accident response force in all the ports. Somebody suggested that there may have been a misdeclaration. This is something that will also be checked and cannot be ruled out at the moment. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 A baiting troll post has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Andersen Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 So just more bad air to breathe Thailand a healthy holiday destination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emptypockets Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 hours ago, shaurene said: Looks like the fire was forward. Container ship. Have the bridge etc at the rear. This is Thailand. They have an Admiral running the port, what would an Admiral know on running a commercial trading port. first off. 1: get the documents with the container contents. 2: Or contact the Hong Kong port, one of the mot organised commercial ports in the world. They will give the Thai authorities the contents of the containers. And even the container numbers and where on the deck the containers were chained down. Point 2 the container may have been loaded in Bangkok not Hong Kong assuming it was due to be unloaded it could have come from one of many dozens of ports and not Hong Kong at all. These ships don't move cargo from port a to port b they load and unload all over the place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rott Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Just because the name was Hong Kong does not mean it hasbeen anywhere near the place. The last container ship I was on was the Hanjin Geneva....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 And now for something completely different. Is it still burning ? Is it out? Is it under control? Or has it run away in fear of all the expert opinions on TV. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Briggsy said: It is still going on. There is a thick plume of pale grey ash (?) still hanging over the ship and visible from miles away. Nobody evacuated me! I never knew about it till I read it here. Really? I would demand a refund! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Briggsy said: From the original story, "Local people were evacuated." You're not a 'local', you're a farang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 6 hours ago, bubba said: What would help even more would be determining what the chemical is so that someone can look up the associated MSDS (or SDS). It's an explosive chemical. Can you look that up in your MSDS (or SDS) please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 9 hours ago, apalink_thailand said: It would help if people spent 5 minutes actually reading an MSDS. They might then have a clue (1) how to pack it and store it (2) how to protect from human exposure and what the effects and 1st aid will be (3) how to put out a fire in this chemical (4) how to protect the local environment (waterways). But no....reading it is not important. Maybe they didn't report that the container contained chemical or maybe they do not match the msds sheet. There could be alot of reasons just maybe they did read it but that fact maybe not important enough to be printed here, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Briggsy said: As you can see "Location : Sri Racha", I no longer live in Bangkok. Sri Racha? You're MILES away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 No much wonder Thaivisa has the badge of being a grumpy expat forum, all whingeing about something they have no clue about ...again! A cargo ship coming into any international port has their cargo declared in advance, this is not a maybe..this is fact. Every port will have a full list of cargo, not just any cargo but all potentially hazardous cargo as well, but the cargo list also specifies what potentially dangerous cargoes are next to other potentially dangerous cargoes. This allows them to have an action plan to combat any serious events such as today....Thai ports are very strict on this which is why this is a rare and newsworthy occurrence. Think back a couple of years ago to the explosion in Tianjin port in China - no control or segregation of chemicals in a cargo or at storage....one burns...300 people dead and a blast zone that makes Hroshima look like a small squibb!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 hours ago, ttrd said: Agree, but prior to read an MSDS you need to know what it is ... "What chemical it was was not known" Of course it was not known at the time of the explosion/fire. All those details will eventually be known but that takes investigation and analysis. Not something you do when the fire is still burning. And of course all those points will be dismissed by the posters after 15 beers and rejection by the oldest and ugliest hooker in the bar. ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 50 minutes ago, NanLaew said: It's an explosive chemical. Can you look that up in your MSDS (or SDS) please? Won't be long before some wild theories on that one get posted. Never happens anywhere else, hold on what was the one on the nitate? ship in USA that went pop a good few years ago?? Galveston, but Glen Campbell didn't sing about it. PS. Where I come from Glen Campbell is a place. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 3 hours ago, emptypockets said: Point 2 the container may have been loaded in Bangkok not Hong Kong assuming it was due to be unloaded it could have come from one of many dozens of ports and not Hong Kong at all. These ships don't move cargo from port a to port b they load and unload all over the place Container was not loaded in Bangkok. Container from Bangkok to Laem Chabang would go by truck. Container ships to move cargo from port a to port b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Briggsy said: I no longer live in Bangkok. Yes I can see that, just curious why you moved. If it had something to do with the serious pollution problems in the big city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Alot of the responsibility falls directly on the shoulders of the hapless and incompetent army. They have no business running the government. They hire based entirely on cronyism, and merit is never a consideration. So, you end up with people occupying important offices, who have no idea what they are doing. When it comes to public safety, occupational safety and handling of dangerous materials, it is a miracle this does not happen more often. Blame Prayuth. It is entirely on him. He wanted the job so desperately. Now, he has to take responsibility for the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Is the fire out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Alot of the responsibility falls directly on the shoulders of the hapless and incompetent army. They have no business running the government. They hire based entirely on cronyism, and merit is never a consideration. So, you end up with people occupying important offices, who have no idea what they are doing. When it comes to public safety, occupational safety and handling of dangerous materials, it is a miracle this does not happen more often. Blame Prayuth. It is entirely on him. He wanted the job so desperately. Now, he has to take responsibility for the people. Porntipa Taweenuch is the port director did the current government appoint her or do you not know what you are talking about again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 9 hours ago, NanLaew said: Sri Racha? You're MILES away. The port lies in the amphoe of Sri Racha. Perhaps I live in the port itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 7 hours ago, balo said: Yes I can see that, just curious why you moved. If it had something to do with the serious pollution problems in the big city. Nah, it was work-related. Though the [perceived] lower pollution in Chonburi as opposed to Bangkok was an added bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: Porntipa Taweenuch is the port director did the current government appoint her or do you not know what you are talking about again. Like you need to ask? But to argue spidermike's point a bit further; why is the junta ruling the country? Because of Thaksin! There! There's your scapegoat! Not your lack of MSDS and a fire hose. It is all THAKSIN'S FAULT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, NanLaew said: Like you need to ask? But to argue spidermike's point a bit further; why is the junta ruling the country? Because of Thaksin! There! There's your scapegoat! Not your lack of MSDS and a fire hose. It is all THAKSIN'S FAULT!!! All I asked was Porntipa Taweenuch who is the port director appointed by cronyism or is she qualified and who hired her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Briggsy said: The port lies in the amphoe of Sri Racha. Perhaps I live in the port itself! But you don't or you would have said so before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, NanLaew said: But you don't or you would have said so before. Are you sure? I mean, really sure? Have you GPS located my computer? I think you might find your assumptions to be inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grollies Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Fire under control Saturday afternoon, chemical was calcium hypochlorite according to the BKK Post........whoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: All I asked was Porntipa Taweenuch who is the port director appointed by cronyism or is she qualified and who hired her? And I was commenting on your pondering if spidermike knows what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, Briggsy said: Are you sure? I mean, really sure? Have you GPS located my computer? I think you might find your assumptions to be inaccurate. And you might find that it doesn't really matter that you were never anywhere near the 'evacuation zone' either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 54 minutes ago, grollies said: Fire under control Saturday afternoon, chemical was calcium hypochlorite according to the BKK Post........whoops MSDS would take about a week to read. Used for water treatment but reacts with so many other compounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, overherebc said: MSDS would take about a week to read. Used for water treatment but reacts with so many other compounds Doesn't matter really since I have read that Porntipa Taweenuch, the port director, already has all the MSDS's in the world, ever, on her iPhone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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