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5 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

Totally baffled by it myself, never seen a TM30 in two decades here. Never even met my landlady as she let's my condo juristic office deal with contract renewal and maintenance issues.

 

I don't need to do an extension anytime soon, but I'm due to mail in a 90 day report in a few weeks to CW. Anyone know if the lack of a TM30 on file will prevent the mailed 90 day report being acknowledged and accepted?

Same here.

 

In all my years of doing extensions and 90 day reports at CW, I've never been asked for a TM30, so I was essentially blindsided by this thread.

 

To make matters worse, if I understand the rules correctly, only my landlord can submit the TM30 form and accompanying documents to immigration, i.e., I can't submit them myself...?

 

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5 hours ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Incorrect. There will be a different TM7 number if you have been abroad. The old one in the system needs to be changed, which is why you have to report again, even if your address is the same as the one in the system.

What a <deleted> joke. What's next? Ankle bracelets for all farangs?

 

This sort of thing isn't just a PITA for foreigners - it's a considerable imposition on landlords as well.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the net effect were to cause landlords to think twice about renting to foreign nationals going forward.

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10 minutes ago, fusion58 said:

Same here.

 

In all my years of doing extensions and 90 day reports at CW, I've never been asked for a TM30, so I was essentially blindsided by this thread.

 

To make matters worse, if I understand the rules correctly, only my landlord can submit the TM30 form and accompanying documents to immigration, i.e., I can't submit them myself...?

 

I also do my extensions at CW. Never been asked for TM30 in 7 years. However seems things have changed. You can do a tm30 yourself. You can choose to submit as possessor. I plan to do it by mail. Bulldust requirement to add to list.

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21 minutes ago, fusion58 said:

To make matters worse, if I understand the rules correctly, only my landlord can submit the TM30 form and accompanying documents to immigration, i.e., I can't submit them myself...?

You can, as the tenant or occupier of the residence you are as equally responsible as the landlord or owner to file a TM30. Often it's the foreigner who is fined.

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3 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

You can, as the tenant or occupier of the residence you are as equally responsible as the landlord or owner to file a TM30. Often it's the foreigner who is fined.

 

This is the advice I received from the Thailand Elite office:

 

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This is the responsibility of your landlord or landlady to notify Immigration of any foreigner staying on his or her property within 24 hours.  If your landlord or landlady has not done this, he or she will have to be fined 1,600 baht per adult in that property.  Foreigners MUST NOT pay this fine.

Considering foreigners are already getting hit with fines, I suppose the foregoing piece of advice merely highlights the disparity between the "letter of the law" and the way(s) in which the law is enforced by the weasels at immigration.

 

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27 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I also do my extensions at CW. Never been asked for TM30 in 7 years. However seems things have changed. You can do a tm30 yourself. You can choose to submit as possessor. I plan to do it by mail. Bulldust requirement to add to list.

I'm curious as to whether anyone here on TVF who rents has successfully submitted a TM30 (along with the accompanying documents) himself/herself (or via a proxy) in person at CW?

 

I haven't read every TM30-related thread on the forum in its entirety, so I admit I'm probably not up to speed yet.

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8 minutes ago, fusion58 said:

This is the advice I received from the Thailand Elite office:

 

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This is the responsibility of your landlord or landlady to notify Immigration of any foreigner staying on his or her property within 24 hours.  If your landlord or landlady has not done this, he or she will have to be fined 1,600 baht per adult in that property.  Foreigners MUST NOT pay this fine.

This is who the law states is responsible:

Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager
where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the
competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or
hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned.

Section 4. In this Act, “ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.

 

Maybe the Thai Elite office should read the law.

 

10 minutes ago, fusion58 said:

I'm curious as to whether anyone here on TVF who rents has successfully submitted a TM30 (along with the accompanying documents) himself/herself (or via a proxy) in person at CW?

Not at CW, but I've always filed myself at two other offices, using signed copies of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card. I've now registered to use the online system, all in English, using a copy of my Passport, Tabien Baan and Thai ID card, selecting 'occupier of the residence and received a username and password to login.

If foreigners had no responsibility to file a TM30, why would Immigration allow foreigners to register online.

 

There are many absent landlords, living abroad or in other Provinces who would have no idea of your exits/re-entries back into Thailand, unless you advised them every time and they were registered to file it online.

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13 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

This is who the law states is responsible:

Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager
where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the
competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or
hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned.

Section 4. In this Act, “ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.

 

Maybe the Thai Elite office should read the law.

 

Not at CW, but I've always filed myself at two other offices, using signed copies of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card. I've now registered to use the online system, all in English, using a copy of my Passport, Tabien Baan and Thai ID card, selecting 'occupier of the residence and received a username and password to login.

If foreigners had no responsibility to file a TM30, why would Immigration allow foreigners to register online.

 

There are many absent landlords, living abroad or in other Provinces who would have no idea of your exits/re-entries back into Thailand, unless you advised them every time and they were registered to file it online.

...and yet you have TVF members reporting they’ve been asked to show proof of power of attorney for landlords when filing at CW.

 

Perhaps it’s the IOs who need to read the law.

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6 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

I've now registered to use the online system, all in English, using a copy of my Passport, Tabien Baan and Thai ID card, selecting 'occupier of the residence and received a username and password to login.

If foreigners had no responsibility to file a TM30, why would Immigration allow foreigners to register online.

 

You have a Thai ID card? The Tabien Bann is in your name?

 

Most, not all, of the online systems' registration and data entry fields/pages are shown in both Thai and English.

 

 

I assume "foreigners" are allowed to register for the TM30 online system as they can own a condo? Some foreigners can operate hotels and guesthouses.

 

The online system was initially meant for hotels. It has been expanded for use by landlords, owner-residents and apparently, renters who are allowed to self-report. Some Imm offices accept TM30 filings by postal mail and even email, hopefully, all accept them in person (with/without a landlord or PoA in tow). The 24-hour deadline seems more focused on hotels, and leniency seems nearly ubiquitous (maybe a fine) for late self-reporters.

 

Div. 1/CW seems to require a valid TM30 in order to complete an ext stay. Some report success with a TM47/90-day report filing (in person, online and postal mail) without the TM30 challenge, while there have been reports of the 90-day report (in person, online) being rejected until the TM30 filing was completed. I was able to complete an online 90-day report without a valid TM30 filing.

 

I would recommend having a valid TM30 on file before attempting an ext stay renewal if only to save time, hassles and a potential fine.

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, fusion58 said:

...and yet you have TVF members reporting they’ve been asked to show proof of power of attorney for landlords when filing at CW.

 

I've yet to hear a report of the PoA being required, but I haven't read every thread/post. The PoA requires some sort of "stamps", which I admit to being unfamiliar with.

 

Self-reports in person seem ok with some/all:

 

For those in Bangkok: Documentation for self filing a TM.30 are
Copies of;
-the blue book (signed by the thai)
-the thai i/d of the person in the blue book (signed by the thai)
-the data page of your passport
-the thai visa in your passport (if you have one)
-your most recent entry stamp
-your extension (if you have one)
-the TM.6 departure card
-your lease
 

* 800 baht tip

 

 

 

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On 5/26/2019 at 8:17 AM, homeseeker said:

But I read elsewhere on this forum that once registered with a TM 30 then at BKK(CW) there is no need to do any further TM 30 reports even with international trips unless there is an address change?

In principle, you need to update your TM30 (they give you a small paper slip) each time you return from an international trip.

 

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15 hours ago, wobalt said:

I personally got this visa because I am married to a THAI citizen. No need for TM 30. since more than 25 years I never have to file one.


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If you mean that you are getting an O-A visa abroad every year (or two, depending on the extension) since 25 years, it means that you have had to travel abroad at least a dozen times. I could argue that in all my years of retirement extensions, I never had to travel abroad, and the TM30 updates I do in a few minutes, and now hopefully online.

(as a joke I could add that I don't need to be married to a Thai citizen, but it's just a joke I hope you are super happy).

 

So as you see, depending how far you live from a border or from an immigration and to your personal situation, one or the other might be preferable.

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2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

You have a Thai ID card? The Tabien Bann is in your name?

 

Most, not all, of the online systems' registration and data entry fields/pages are shown in both Thai and English.

 

I assume "foreigners" are allowed to register for the TM30 online system as they can own a condo? Some foreigners can operate hotels and guesthouses.

Yellow Tabien Baan and (pink) Thai ID card for foreigner.

I do not own a Condo or run a guesthouse/hotel.

I'm married and live in my wife's home, so not the owner, house master or tenant, but applied as an occupier of the residence.

 

As I understand the situation in CW, they never enforced the requirement for Private residences to report the presence of a foreigner and they are now playing catch up to register hundreds, if not thousands of foreigners who stay in private residential accommodation.

I fear they neither have the manpower or time to deal with postal or online registrations at this moment in time and appear to be advising most when they report in person for one reason or another.

I haven't read of anyone being fined, nor should they, when they previously advised filing a TM30 wasn't necessary at CW.

 

There was a massive TV ad campaign last month advising Thais they must report the presence of foreigners in private residential properties, which followed earlier announcements in the press of proposals to increase fines for non compliance. This all seems to coincide with CW recently now enforcing the requirement.

 

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If you mean that you are getting an O-A visa abroad every year (or two, depending on the extension) since 25 years, it means that you have had to travel abroad at least a dozen times. I could argue that in all my years of retirement extensions, I never had to travel abroad, and the TM30 updates I do in a few minutes, and now hopefully online.
(as a joke I could add that I don't need to be married to a Thai citizen, but it's just a joke I hope you are super happy).
 
So as you see, depending how far you live from a border or from an immigration and to your personal situation, one or the other might be preferable.

As I said I switched to non O for marriage. And yes, I have to travel abroad because of work and my wife has permanent residency in Germany. Getting a visa was easy like hell. No financial requirements.
I like traveling and use Thailand as a hub to travel to others countries in the Region. Boring to stay only in Thailand


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