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48 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Results of the EU election will be in soon.

No need to guess.

Not that any result would give you the necessary parliamentary majority; I bet the majority will vote for soft Brexit or remain parties, only a minority will actually vote for Farage’s hard Brexit. So, I anything, the EU election will show you what people have been telling you for months: there is not majority for anything.  

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The public didn't vote for a hard Brexit at all.
 
Parliament has carried out the advice of the small majority of the people by taking the advisory referendum result and exploring all the option of leaving and trying to decide on one that is in the best interests of all - not just a few hard Brexiters.
 
They failed. Mainly because all the hard Breiters, like Johnson have never actually put forward their vaunted "plan B' - largely because it doesn't exit, they're inept, and don't have the wit to put one together.
 
May made things worse by scheming to get the PM role and then push through her likely crap watered down deal by executive decision and then getting stuffed at a snap election when that failed. She thought become PM, invoke Article 50, push through a deal using the PR - easy peazy lemon squeezy! And hey presto the Tories have delivered "Brexit" and become united and all fuzzy again. She failed miserably, misjudged things continuously and then stubbornly refused to change or go.
 
If Johnson or any of the other stooges tries, on becoming PM, to simple run the clock down and leave with no deal on 31.10 they are likely to face massive opposition, form within parliament and outside.
 
People are fed up with all the lies, self interest and politicizing. If it boils down to leave with no deal or remain with the deal we have, that choice must be again put to the people to advise parliament of their wishes. Because the current parliament is no longer credible or capable of deciding.
 
Farage - the dubious dictator of the Brexit Party a champion of democracy? Your're having a laugh! He only likes his own opinions and the sound of his own mouth! He couldn't get on with others in UKIP which was run like a political party. So he set the Brexit Party up as a limited company, himself as autocratic boss. And dopes make contributions to this too!
Cannot honestly see over 100000 people being " dopes "..can you??

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May foolishly chose to fight her snap election on one issue. 
 
UKIP were and are a one trick pony.
 
Corbyn, despised and ridiculed my many, especially media, chose to fight the election on all the issues people consider important.
 
Who did best?
 
Suggesting the people who voted to leave, or remain, would vote for any one party, purely based on that party's stance on Brexit is pure sophistry.
 
 


Brexit Party..sophistry..rather novel AND DOING REMARKABLY WELL!!!

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9 hours ago, JAG said:

Nor can you let it overule and overturn the decision of the majority, which is effectively what has been happening for the last two years.

The mood in the UK have changed, majority want to stay in the EU now.

 

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/

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1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

But without a second referendum (very unlikely now) the people won't have a voice in what happens.  It will be about which egomaniac get's to be PM and then what the other MPs go along with.  We are just on the sidelines, unable to influence anything.  Unless we have a general election and the Tories are scared to death of that scenario.

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11 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

According to the polls, the mood has never changed.

We weren't going to vote to leave the first time, and we aren't going to vote to leave in any other elections either.

This is what happens when polls are done by socialists with a globalist agenda, they can never lose .......... in their minds and if they did lose it was a mistake, by stupid, gullible, racist, bigots that easily change their minds, so it needs another vote.

 

And if a pollster holding a milkshake asks me how I'll vote, it would be to remain every time.

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On 5/26/2019 at 7:46 AM, luckyluke said:

First thing would be to unify the Britons. 

 

There is a problem if 48% of the people have a complete different idea than the other 52%.

 

52 % may be a majority, but not enough to impose things. 

 

If you have an opposition of 48 %, you can not simply ignore it, just like that. 

It was 48% two years ago. Seems likely it's more than that now. Some because of various politicians tactics, some because now they understand more about Brexit than they did 2 years.

 

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18 hours ago, tebee said:

Don't forget Johnson was a remainer who flipped too, when he thought it was to his political advanaged to do so.

 Johnson’s grasp of detail and facts is somewhat suspect, which is why he is not trusted by foreign diplomats and politicians. This will obviously cause a problem if he wants to negotiate new Brexit terms with the EU.

 

Here is a review of his book on Churchill (no prizes for guessing who Johnson is really writing about!)

 

The review, written in November 2014, is by Sir Richard J Evans who, until 2014, was the Regius Professor of History at Cambridge:

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/books/2014/11/one-man-who-made-history-another-who-seems-just-make-it-boris-churchill

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David Icke has 750,000 Facebook followers and nearly 200,000 twitter followers.  Awful lot of people out there who will believe an old tosh!


Oh I agree..just look at the number of people who can't see by parties like libdems..greens etc.
Every political party has their faithfuls[emoji6]

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16 hours ago, tebee said:

er - yes

 

contributing to a party with an unknown manifesto and no internal democracy ?

Yes the pubic are fed up with manifestos as they change their minds and don't stick to them. Just as Corbyn. Either way who ever is the next Tory leader and PM will have a much easier time convincing MP's to vote for them with regards to brexit, as the EU elections have made statement. that the people will be not tolerate MP's dismissing the electorate and they will be out of their little cosey jobs, along with their noses out of the troughs.

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8 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes the pubic are fed up with manifestos as they change their minds and don't stick to them. Just as Corbyn. Either way who ever is the next Tory leader and PM will have a much easier time convincing MP's to vote for them with regards to brexit, as the EU elections have made statement. that the people will be not tolerate MP's dismissing the electorate and they will be out of their little cosey jobs, along with their noses out of the troughs.

Farage even stated during this election (every time he was asked) that he wouldn't use the word 'Manifesto' because everyone else shredded theirs therefore to the public it means 'lie'!

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19 hours ago, evadgib said:

Farage even stated during this election (every time he was asked) that he wouldn't use the word 'Manifesto' because everyone else shredded theirs therefore to the public it means 'lie'!

Disingenuous

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49 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Sulking

Not me. The reality is the guy is typical right of centre BS artist. He represents a threat to democracy with his links and proposed alliances with far right EU groups. Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.

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7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Not me. The reality is the guy is typical right of centre BS artist. He represents a threat to democracy with his links and proposed alliances with far right EU groups. Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.

IMO the true threat to democracy comes from the other direction.

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On 5/27/2019 at 10:22 AM, evadgib said:

Farage even stated during this election (every time he was asked) that he wouldn't use the word 'Manifesto' because everyone else shredded theirs therefore to the public it means 'lie'!

Maybe because the Farage does not have a manifesto in any shape or form.

 

However his party appear to give contradictory statements. Campaigning for a no deal , whilst simultaneously wanting to be part of the negotiating team. 

 

His he really an hard brexiteer

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