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5 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Totally against attacking anyone, of any faith,  but I do favour "when in Rome". Here I do many things as it's 'here' and if I went to Israel and was visiting a synagogue I would wear what was required to appease the locals.

 

Do you demand the same of say, Muslims? Sikhs? Buddhists? Is this "when in Rome" thing actually applied world wide? Do you actually get it that the Jews, in this instance are locals?

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5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

"Just because they are Jews"? Are Jews behaving just like everybody else? Are there differences between Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Jews? Yes. Not everybody likes Muslims and it seems that is acceptable for many. So why is it not acceptable that some people don't like some Jews? We are not all the same. That is of course not a reason to fight each other. But pretending there are no differences and no reason is unrealistic.

 

Do tell, just how are Jews behaving differently? Or, for that matter, how do members of other religions act distinctively differently? Not liking is one thing, attacking those one doesn't like is another. And while at it - what is that "reason" you're alluding to - your post doesn't actually say.

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1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Do tell, just how are Jews behaving differently? Or, for that matter, how do members of other religions act distinctively differently? Not liking is one thing, attacking those one doesn't like is another. And while at it - what is that "reason" you're alluding to - your post doesn't actually say.

Look at money lending over the centuries. That's what Jews did because Christians were not allowed to do it by their religion.

And as far as I know Jews are still a big part of the banking world.

But I don't really know because I don't really care about religion.

 

But sometimes there is a strong connection between religion and people's behavior. Israel is an example, Saudi Arabia is another one. And the USA is full of Christians who seem to read just one book and ignore anything that was published after the bible.

 

My point is: If Muslims blow up buildings then nobody should be surprised if many people don't like Muslims in general. And if Jews kill innocent Palestinians and suppress them all the time then nobody should be surprised that they are also not liked.

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30 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Look at money lending over the centuries. That's what Jews did because Christians were not allowed to do it by their religion.

And as far as I know Jews are still a big part of the banking world.

But I don't really know because I don't really care about religion.

 

But sometimes there is a strong connection between religion and people's behavior. Israel is an example, Saudi Arabia is another one. And the USA is full of Christians who seem to read just one book and ignore anything that was published after the bible.

 

My point is: If Muslims blow up buildings then nobody should be surprised if many people don't like Muslims in general. And if Jews kill innocent Palestinians and suppress them all the time then nobody should be surprised that they are also not liked.

 

Disregarding your version of history, and the obvious tropes you keep on using while claiming not to be a bigot - do tell, what does this have to do with "behaving differently"? And if you "really don't know", what is the value of airing such views?

 

Same goes for your next attempt - Do all (or even most) Israelis' behavior governed by religion? Does the same hold for other countries? You just post this as fact, without even trying to support it.

 

So far, nothing concrete about "different behavior", then.

 

Two comments on your "point" (which doesn't actually follow from the rest) -

 

People hating all Muslims because some Muslims resort to terrorism are bigots. On top of that, people take less kindly to acts of violence directed at those less obviously involved. The World generally reacts less strongly to such actions when confined to the local/regional level.

 

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This would explain, maybe, Muslim violence against Jews. I don't think the average extreme right winger or Neo Nazi cares much about Palestinian rights. Also probably not all that much outright violence on offer from left-wing liberals.

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11 hours ago, Morch said:

Here's a link to a (long, be warned) article from the New York Times, giving a more in-depth analysis:

 

The New German Anti-Semitism

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/21/magazine/anti-semitism-germany.html

 

 

This is an excellent (but very long) article. Thank you for posting it. Anyone that is sincerely interested in this topic should read it. 

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1 hour ago, BangkokBaksida said:

"Just for starters, Jews have used their money (through AIPAC) to more or less totally take control of the government of my country, the US.  Here is an excellent book on the subject, written by a former US Congressman, that you can read online for free.  This book was written decades ago, so the control of the US by Jews has only gotten worse since then"

 

How does this view square with Trump occupying the Oval Office, and having the support of a sizeable chunk of the US population? Trump doesn't seem to be in thrall to "the Jews".

 

"In a speech before the Republican Jewish Coalition in April (2019), he said that recently reelected Benjamin Netanyahu was "your prime minister." Instead of implying dual loyalty, he all but said Jews aren't actually Americans at all, because they have single loyalty to Israel." 

https://theweek.com/articles/835714/what-donald-trump-said-about-jews

 

As for the yarmulke: seems like a lot of fuss about a very small hat.

 

 

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20 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

"Just because they are Jews"? Are Jews behaving just like everybody else? Are there differences between Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Jews? Yes. Not everybody likes Muslims and it seems that is acceptable for many. So why is it not acceptable that some people don't like some Jews? We are not all the same. That is of course not a reason to fight each other. But pretending there are no differences and no reason is unrealistic.

Your post sums it up very well.

The counter-arguments are feeble and unconvincing.

The history of these hapless people is tragic in the extreme.

Persecutions and expulsions began in Egypt and Mesopotamia long before the start of our era and continue to the present day. 

Not being able to wear their kippas in public is among the least of the indignities that they've been subjected to.

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On 5/27/2019 at 7:37 AM, ezzra said:

Nothing has changed over the last 2000 years where jews were persecuted, demonised, slaughtered, waged war upon them by mighty armies, over and over, exiled from their homeland numerous times just because they are Jews, and now in the US and other countries there's a resurrections of anti jewish sentiments, can anyone say why? no, not really, when the world need to hate someone, there are always the jews for it...

Why? That is the question never asked.  That the Jews have been persecuted, demonized and slaughtered over and over again as you say is never in question only the reason why.  What is the common denominator that Jews have that transcends thousands of years, hundreds of countries and just about every culture they come in contact with to treat them this way? They can't always be the victim.  

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14 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Do you demand the same of say, Muslims? Sikhs? Buddhists? Is this "when in Rome" thing actually applied world wide? Do you actually get it that the Jews, in this instance are locals?

Yes.

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53 minutes ago, griffon2011 said:

Why? That is the question never asked.  That the Jews have been persecuted, demonized and slaughtered over and over again as you say is never in question only the reason why.  What is the common denominator that Jews have that transcends thousands of years, hundreds of countries and just about every culture they come in contact with to treat them this way? They can't always be the victim.  

 

Outside of Israel—a relatively new country—they are few in number, easily identifiable by their names and where they pray, comparatively well educated (and so consequently, often financially better off, leading to jealousy), and until recently, had few advocates in their favor. That has made them easy prey, easy targets and convenient scapegoats for people seeking or wanting to retain power and needing some group to blame for their woes.

 

It’s a tried and tested strategy.

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1 hour ago, griffon2011 said:

Why? That is the question never asked.  That the Jews have been persecuted, demonized and slaughtered over and over again as you say is never in question only the reason why.  What is the common denominator that Jews have that transcends thousands of years, hundreds of countries and just about every culture they come in contact with to treat them this way? They can't always be the victim.  

You are of course correct.  But when I tried to answer your question, my comment was censored - as "racist".  Censorship does not solve the problem.  Only discussion can.

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On 5/27/2019 at 11:32 AM, Morch said:

 

As a counterpoint to the expected counterpoint, may want to read up on how the affiliation of perpetrators is determined and how undecided/unclear cases are labeled. There's plenty of data tossed about regarding percentages and attributing blame, enough to fit almost any narrative. Kinda doubt that politics aren't part of how things parceled. Pretty much as these things go on TVF topics.

I've been following this thread (although not posting as I'm neither German or Jewish) - but this is the best post I've seen on this thread to date.

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1 hour ago, BangkokBaksida said:

You are of course correct.  But when I tried to answer your question, my comment was censored - as "racist".  Censorship does not solve the problem.  Only discussion can.

We're supposed to trust you that it wasn't racist? :stoner:

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