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BANGKOK 20 June 2019 14:40
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Police suspect murder in hanging death of retired Dutch teacher

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3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed. I remember reading a long time ago that many suicides by hanging involved securing the hands. Apparently, if not, instinct kicks in and the struggle for life such that many would-be suicides would prevent their own hanging attempt.

 

However reading all the circumstances here, separate lives after 2 years of marriage, younger "brother" living-in; wife away; bruising to ribs - hmmm, Seems the police are right to be suspicious.

Agreed. I wonder if the police have checked if the brother really is the brother. In the last house that I lived the farang who had the house opposite used to work in the Middle East for long periods. Every time he went away, his Thai wife's "brother" used to move in "because she was nervous on her own" according to the farang. He may well have been her brother, but he gave her a big sloppy kiss every morning before he went to work. 

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4 hours ago, paulbrow said:

I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that it would be very difficult to: 1) tie your own hands behind your back, and 2) then hang yourself.... just saying...

With the right Connection the conclusion can be that he did it simultaneously ...

 

Hopefully the one(s) who performed the groteque action will be taken and convicted … 

 

RIP

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Many documentaries on youtube about greedy wives / husbands  in US
who kill spouses for money. So this is not just Thai/farang ...This is a problem

in societies built around money with large income inequality.

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Married to a younger Thai woman, Thai young brother living with them, arguments, thai wife leaves and he hangs himself because he cant contact her, NOT LIKELY, he wasnt that old, still a lot of good years left in him, looks like she was riding the money, im surprised thai police even investigated seeing he was farang and the other side were Thai. Somehow i dont think it was Herb who sent emails to his relatives threatening suicide, seems far fetched. Im sure he would have phoned his relatives, anyone can write an email. thai wife was gone 4 days to bangkok, no contact, shows how much she wanted to be married. IMO i would say a plan between the thai wife and brother, but as thais are not that clever, i think they going to get caught out,

especially as Herbs relatives and the embassy are now involved. 

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As someone who watches murder mysteries on Centre Point’s channel 28 every night at 10:45, I see murders with surprising perpetrators.  The murderer finally caught last night was a man who had evaded detection until an investigator, on a whim, had a 20-year-old rape kit’s vaginal fluids’ DNA evaluated.  The murderer turned out to her father who, when she was 13, had raped her, strangled her, stripped her body and left her by the side of the road so she would be discovered quickly and thus allow him to collect her $10,000 life insurance payout.  The police finally extracted a confession from him but he never showed any perceptible remorse.

 

Those types of murders probably exist in Thailand, but I have never read of a father-daughter murder on Thai Visa during my 15+ years as a member.

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Do they also suspect murder when someone shoots themselves in the head twice? They need inspector Clueseau on it. (Sorry if I spelled that wrong).

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Of course it's murder, it's Thailand, most foreigners die by some sort of murder, cut, hung, or fall from tall buildings.  DUH!

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Do you have to be married for a certain amount of time. To be eligible for his pension? I would think so

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Sixty one year old Herb Elmes (name transliterated from Thai) was found hanging outside a house that he shared with his 40 year old wife Cha-orn Elmes and her younger brother Precha Jaidee, 38.

 

  The answer can be found here. Her brother. RIP, Dutchman. 

 

   "Jaidee" was for sure a good hearted guy to your wife. 

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3 hours ago, NightSky said:

why is the uniformed man in the photo laughing at the murder scene?

 

"In everyday life in Thailand, there is a strong emphasis on the concept of sanuk; the idea that life should be fun. Because of this, Thais can be quite playful at work and during day-to-day activities."

 

Culture of Thailand - Wikipedia

 

 

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Who said his hands were tied behind his back ?

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