webfact Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Video: Who's to blame? Motorcyclist in hospital after smash in Phrae Caption: A vital life moment CCTV footage from downtown Phrae in northern Thailand showed the moment a Mazda exited a side turning at a t-junction with lights. A motorcycle smashes into the car at speed. 77jowo asked the question: Who's to blame? - but it seemed fairly obvious. The car clearly comes onto the main road when the light is still green. 5.mp4 It changes a second after to amber as the smash occurs. Whether the car driver should have been looking out for a red light runner is another matter, notes Thaivisa. Benjawan Kanlai, 18, who was clearly not wearing a helmet, was shown in a video being loaded up into an ambulance for the trip to Phrae Hospital. Picture: 77JOWO The car - damaged on its right side door - was driven by 31 year old Watcharapong Wanlaphachai. Both those involved come from Phrae. The accident happened at the Thung Hong intersection just before 7 pm on Tuesday. Source: 77JOWO -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2019-05-30 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Normal day on the roads here... Hardly worth a mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith101 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 The car was entering on a green light so 100% the motor bike riders fault . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taichiplanet Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, webfact said: Who's to blame? The police are to blame; as they do not consistently enforce the laws so people drive around doing what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 100% the bike riders fault. The Car entered the junction to turn right on a green light. We can't see the traffic lights for the motorcycle, but it's a very fair assumption that the motorcyclist ran a red light.... In no way whatsoever should any blame be placed on the driver of the car regardless of whether or not there may have been some moral obligation to look out for red light runners as was implied the opening post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmaxdan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 If they are both Thai then neither is to blame, or will have the balls to admit it. The sad reality of the way it works here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 And if the car driver only has Gov. insurance I wonder what chance he will have making a claim against the idiot biker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Is the biker male or female? the motorcyclist should have been breaking and preparing to stop at s red light.... my guess is he/she played a game of chicken betting on a car was not going to enter the street...the cross traffic seems to be in a blind spot until a vehicle appears and then it’s too late.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30la Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 As always, many drivers forget to use their eyes when they go around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Dough Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: 100% the bike riders fault. The Car entered the junction to turn right on a green light. We can't see the traffic lights for the motorcycle, but it's a very fair assumption that the motorcyclist ran a red light.... In no way whatsoever should any blame be placed on the driver of the car regardless of whether or not there may have been some moral obligation to look out for red light runners as was implied the opening post. I did not mean that as a moral obligation. More like a life saver. Remember the mantra in Thailand - take the greatest care on green. Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jane Dough said: 3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: 100% the bike riders fault. The Car entered the junction to turn right on a green light. We can't see the traffic lights for the motorcycle, but it's a very fair assumption that the motorcyclist ran a red light.... In no way whatsoever should any blame be placed on the driver of the car regardless of whether or not there may have been some moral obligation to look out for red light runners as was implied the opening post. I did not mean that as a moral obligation. More like a life saver. Remember the mantra in Thailand - take the greatest care on green. Rooster I was referring to the main article.. (opening post).. 3 hours ago, webfact said: Whether the car driver should have been looking out for a red light runner is another matter, notes Thaivisa. There is an implication that cars should be looking out for motorcycles running red lights, I kind of get that, but it in no way absolves the motorcyclist of being 100% at fault. Riding my motorcycle yesterday cars pulled out in front of me twice, I was already on the brakes and slowing in anticipation that they were just going to cut me off... Its relatively easy to predict in Thailand... Most don't cut you off and I find that in general in Bangkok drivers are very considerate of motorcyclists... I find it is the motorcyclists who pose the greatest risk... Just 2 cars cut me off yesterday... But many many more bikes rode in my blind spot or along side me giving me no room for maneuver should I see a pot hole etc... the majority of other motorcyclists are out and out idiots - the video at the beginning of this thread is a perfect example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 It is always a wise move to look out for red light jumpers. However in this case, I would reckon that the view to the drivers right would be severely restricted until he/she had committed to making the turn. And that stupid motorcyclist was going pretty fast. Even if the driver spotted him it would have been too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertson468 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Brakes failed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantom Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 This was no accident. It was a collision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: 100% the bike riders fault. The Car entered the junction to turn right on a green light. We can't see the traffic lights for the motorcycle, but it's a very fair assumption that the motorcyclist ran a red light.... In no way whatsoever should any blame be placed on the driver of the car regardless of whether or not there may have been some moral obligation to look out for red light runners as was implied the opening post. It is true we cannot see the red light. I remember in downtown Chiang Mai some years ago the lights at one junction was obscured by a hoarding and you couldn't see it until the last second. We reported it at the time along with many other people but it took over three months for the hoarding to be removed. However the car was driving correctly apart from cutting the corner a little and cannot be held responsible for the accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, cardinalblue said: Is the biker male or female? Benjawan is a typical female name. Completely ignored the red light. Why waste time and energy and break on such a nice straight road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: We can't see the traffic lights for the motorcycle, but it's a very fair assumption that the motorcyclist ran a red light.... Usually there is about 5 seconds between red on one and green on the other direction. So no question that the light was completely ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 If they are both Thai then neither is to blame, or will have the balls to admit it. The sad reality of the way it works here. Blame the traffic lights as they decided to change colour. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike787 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 5 hours ago, cornishcarlos said: Normal day on the roads here... Hardly worth a mention Agreed! And how does this become news? Side walks and roads are the "killing fields" of people in Thailand. Welcome to the land of smiles...and don't forget your 90 day report to mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt1591 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 "Whether the car driver should have been looking out for a red light runner is another matter, notes Thaivisa. " Reminds me of our neighbors daughter. She pull a u-turn in front of a gravel truck, which proceded to nail her in the front quarter panel. Her version: "He had plenty of room to slow down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shady86 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Motorbike rider should blame ownself for being a retard. Oops, since when people here admits to own mistakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfaroukh Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Fault of the car, entering main road should stop and watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasset Tak Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Riding a bicycle (yes, a good old bicycle) I often get cutoff by cars and motorcycles and have to break... and most of those times it's because they pass me on the right and then immediately turn left just in front of me because there is a shop or soi that they want to enter... and twice cars have even hit my bicycle doing that?! I guess that they have either left their brains at home or are too busy being on their phones to pay attention on what is happening around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieroaming Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 And the biker survives to crash another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 a thai jumping a red light, i dont believe it, they are born colour blind. dont get me started on tour buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujayujay Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Motorcyclist off course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujayujay Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, mrfaroukh said: Fault of the car, entering main road should stop and watch Where you do your DL. In Ougadougoo...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grusa Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 It is my perception, as a driver of both car and motorbike, that the standard of driving, never good, has deteriorated drastically over the last year or so. Not particularly relevant to this thread, it seems to me that many car drivers do so as if they were still on two wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grusa Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Kasset Tak said: I guess that they have either left their brains at home or are too busy being on their phones to pay attention on what is happening around them. You can't leave at home assets you have never possessed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a10ams Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Even the biker coming towards the camera at the start ran a red light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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