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Trump calls off tariffs on Mexico after deal on migration

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43 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

What’s happening is that the world is getting accustomed to Trump’s capriciousness: threats accompanied by vague demands, followed by temporary lifting of those threats in exchange for vague promises with no benchmark to measure progress, leaving Trump as the final arbiter of whether something something has been something something by someone somewhere somehow at some point in the somewhat future. MAGA!

And that is it in a nutshell. 

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7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Trump calls off tariffs on Mexico after deal on migration

All we have is the U.S. version of any agreement between the U.S. and Mexico regarding immigration through Mexico. Until there's something in writing it's all speculative and deniable.

When Trump is strongly pressured against one of his policies, he typically declares a victory rather than admit pulling back in defeat. Thus far, it seems that what the U.S. has said about Mexican immigration policy concessions only reflects what Mexico has been doing all along.

 

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There's this weird belief among Trump supporters that Mexico can do what the US can't - sesal its borders. That somehow if Mexico were only to put its foot down, illegal immigration would slow dramatically. Not only does Mexico have more border to contend with, but it's got a lot few resources to assign to it. In addition it has its own huge crime problems and corruption is rampant in the police and armed services. But somehow, despite this, it's going to be able to clamp down on illegal immigration.

Mexico has more border? Please clarify


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18 minutes ago, Sealbash said:


Mexico has more border? Please clarify


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Well, it's got the southern border and the northern border. I was referring to the issue of illegal immigration coming from the south. It's in that regard that Mexico has more border to defend. Of course if you include the Canadian border, then the US wins. But that one isn't much of an issue in this case, is it?

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3 minutes ago, Ozman52 said:

Mexico has agreed to deploy 6000 troops to the Guatamalan border, covered by any number of news sources yesterday (Wash Poss, BBC.......)

I assume they are not there for a vacation. 

That border is 871 kilometers long. Lots of it is jungle. And the Mexican armed forces aren't exactly legendary for their immunity to corruption. To be fair, neither is the border patrol of the United States. Which is one reason why it's hardly grown at all since Trump took office. The temptations are so great, that each applicant has to be very carefully vetted. Given the interpenetration of Mexican and Guatemalan citizens in daily life, it seems unlikely that the forces there will put a serious crimp in the business of smuggling humans across the border.

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2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

That border is 871 kilometers long. Lots of it is jungle. And the Mexican armed forces aren't exactly legendary for their immunity to corruption. To be fair, neither is the border patrol of the United States. Which is one reason why it's hardly grown at all since Trump took office. The temptations are so great, that each applicant has to be very carefully vetted. Given the interpenetration of Mexican and Guatemalan citizens in daily life, it seems unlikely that the forces there will put a serious crimp in the business of smuggling humans across the border.

Lot's of jungle, and not many roads. Jungle is nature's version of a wall. If it is to Mexico's advantage I'm sure they can find a way to stifle the flow.

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That's like saying, "If's it to the USA's advantage, I'm sure they can find a way to stifle the flow." How has that worked out on America's southern border?

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22 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

That's like saying, "If's it to the USA's advantage, I'm sure they can find a way to stifle the flow." How has that worked out on America's southern border?

That's like saying "The USA is the same as Mexico."  Mexico is not saddled with limp-wrist laws giving "rights" to criminals, nor are they as reticent in enforcing the laws they do have when it is to their advantage.

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8 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

somehow i am not surprised he got mexico to start doing what they should have been doing from the beginning,

 

but with the massive amount of corrupt border and police forces in mexico, time will tell.

 

they have 90 days to show they are serious.

 

i am sure your tds won't allow you to think this is a good thing

 

 

 

total dissolved solids?

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7 hours ago, zydeco said:

Here are the "details" as released by the State Department. About as vague as can be. Trump caved. I knew it. https://www.state.gov/u-s-mexico-joint-declaration/

you have no idea what you are talking about

 

Mexico will take unprecedented steps to increase enforcement to curb irregular migration, to include the deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border. Mexico is also taking decisive action to dismantle human smuggling and trafficking organizations as well as their illicit financial and transportation networks. Additionally, the United States and Mexico commit to strengthen bilateral cooperation, including information sharing and coordinated actions to better protect and secure our common border.

 

of course, they have 90 days to prove they aren't as corrupt as they have been in the past

 

 

if that is "caving" i will take it

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1 hour ago, Ozman52 said:

Mexico has agreed to deploy 6000 troops to the Guatamalan border, covered by any number of news sources yesterday (Wash Post, BBC.......)

I assume they are not there for a vacation. 

Conditionally. In an ironic twist it would  appear that the US  will  pay, not Mexico. No pay, no play. Ok? lol

 

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8 hours ago, bristolboy said:

We'll see if Trump caved. The memo says that asylum seekers can be returned to Mexico to await adjudication. It also says the US promises to speed up adjudication. The question is whether asylum seekers will wait in Mexico or just find some other way to cross the border. Now that it's summer border crossing will decrease. The effect of this agreement won't be fully known until the autumn.

OK. Though it is good news, the announcement of aid by the US is a complete U Turn by trump on fairly recent decisions to terminate or drastically reduce aid to the source countries. The US / Mexico agreement for returning asylum seekers to Mexico until their status has been finalised is in breach of international laws. My take is US will fully fund the Mexican costs for the asylum seekers being supported by Mexico, plus costs for deploying 6,000 security personnel to Mexico's southern border. What is further good news is the tariff now not being implemented as it would have hurt both US and Mexico. Is trump finally gaining a bit of common sense?

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