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the left wing fake media mob is entirely in panic coz mr. president scored another great victory, which makes the dems look like a bunch of clowns. trumpy boys approval ratings already 44 % will be soon 50 plus coz illegals will only be allowed to make asylum claims in the first country entered similar to the dublin rules.

 

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1 hour ago, roobaa01 said:

the left wing fake media mob is entirely in panic coz mr. president scored another great victory, which makes the dems look like a bunch of clowns. trumpy boys approval ratings already 44 % will be soon 50 plus coz illegals will only be allowed to make asylum claims in the first country entered similar to the dublin rules.

 

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Not hard to make the Dems look like fools. The leaders should all be in the geriatric ward. Especially Pelosi. She looks like she died and they forgot to tell her.

 

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20 hours ago, Ozman52 said:

Neither I or my country, or for that matter any other developed country, have the responsibility of accepting every person who considers they would be better off living in our country rather than theirs. Certainly it is the right thing to do to offer less developed countries assistance, but that does not extend to giving their citizens free entry and residence.

To put in simpler terms for you, if you knock on my front door you may be offered help. If you want to sneak in the back door, or kick it in, don't expect such a civilised response.

Your country has signed the 1951 refugee convention, so it should either abide by it, or remove your signature.

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2 hours ago, Longcut said:

Not hard to make the Dems look like fools. The leaders should all be in the geriatric ward. Especially Pelosi. She looks like she died and they forgot to tell her.

 

Your hard-hitting and succinct arguments never fail to convince!!

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3 hours ago, pornprong said:
23 hours ago, Ozman52 said:

Neither I or my country, or for that matter any other developed country, have the responsibility of accepting every person who considers they would be better off living in our country rather than theirs. Certainly it is the right thing to do to offer less developed countries assistance, but that does not extend to giving their citizens free entry and residence.

To put in simpler terms for you, if you knock on my front door you may be offered help. If you want to sneak in the back door, or kick it in, don't expect such a civilised response.

Your country has signed the 1951 refugee convention, so it should either abide by it, or remove your signature.

From the UNHCR guidance on the 1951 refugee convention, direct quote:

 

The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom.

 

 

Exactly how does that relate to literally millions of non-refugee illegal immigrants inducing criminals flooding into the US at the behest of our politicians for nefarious purpose?

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6 hours ago, roobaa01 said:

the left wing fake media mob is entirely in panic coz mr. president scored another great victory, which makes the dems look like a bunch of clowns. trumpy boys approval ratings already 44 % will be soon 50 plus coz illegals will only be allowed to make asylum claims in the first country entered similar to the dublin rules.

 

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Except it was all a Trump stunt and once again he’s been caught out lying:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html

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4 hours ago, pornprong said:

Your country has signed the 1951 refugee convention, so it should either abide by it, or remove your signature.

They are not refugees. They are criminals gaining illegal entrance. Learn to know the difference.

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33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except it was all a Trump stunt and once again he’s been caught out lying:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html

Nothing new here, the orange clown is a compulsive liar and thinks that everyone will fall for his lies.......certainly the naive and weak minded (as well as rednecks) will.

 

About time this idiot huckster was removed one way or another.

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8 hours ago, OtinPattaya said:

I always love watching Brits, Europeans, and Scandinavians comment on Donald Trump. Especially where entirely domestic American matters are concerned. Because everyone of you non-Americans are magically an expert because you watch the BBC and subscribe to a few Facebook channels. I'd love to see what your own leaders are doing other than capitulating to the very rosy sensation of political good sensation. You don't like Trump's tariffs on China? Great! Why don't the rest of you Brit, Euro, and Scandinavians do something different? Make some news yourselves. You don't like America's policies, why not have some policies of your own, rather than remaining perpetually non-committal? 

 

Forget about Mexico. When is the UK, Germany, France, Sweden, going to stand up to China. NEVER! That's when. Unfortunately that leaves America. 

You are aware that all this latest bs about tariffs with Mexico was worked out months ago right?so that falls into another Donald lie distraction correct?and did it occur to you that our old allies will be less likely to back us in a trade war because Donald has been stabbing them in the back and at the same time sucking up to the worst despots alive today.correct?take the blinders off see him for what he is don’t be a mark!

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42 minutes ago, Tug said:

You are aware that all this latest bs about tariffs with Mexico was worked out months ago right?so that falls into another Donald lie distraction correct?and did it occur to you that our old allies will be less likely to back us in a trade war because Donald has been stabbing them in the back and at the same time sucking up to the worst despots alive today.correct?take the blinders off see him for what he is don’t be a mark!

Do you think it's odd that Reuters never mentioned this incredible Trumpie hoax while carefully following the story for its millions of readers who rely on accurate and timely reporting about trade and world events?

 

Do you think Reuters 3000 reporters are Trumpies?  Or maybe the NYT uses codes for special people? Surely no one else knew because it moved world markets.

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20 minutes ago, rabas said:

Do you think it's odd that Reuters never mentioned this incredible Trumpie hoax while carefully following the story for its millions of readers who rely on accurate and timely reporting about trade and world events?

 

Do you think Reuters 3000 reporters are Trumpies?  Or maybe the NYT uses codes for special people? Surely no one else knew because it moved world markets.

Listening to Bloomberg financial news on the radio yesterday, trump's reaction to the situation was compared to the arsonist taking credit for putting out the fire he started.

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5 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Listening to Bloomberg financial news on the radio yesterday, trump's reaction to the situation was compared to the arsonist taking credit for putting out the fire he started. 

Bloomberg is privately owned by Mr. Michael Bloomberg,  politician, ex NYC mayor and deep democratic donor. 

 

"On March 5, 2019, Bloomberg announced that he will not run for president in 2020, instead encouraging the Democratic Party to "nominate a Democrat who will be in the strongest position to defeat Donald Trump".

 

So we know his newspaper is fair!

Seriously, try double checking things in Reuters.

If it's not in Reuters, didn't happen.

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1 hour ago, rabas said:

Bloomberg is privately owned by Mr. Michael Bloomberg,  politician, ex NYC mayor and deep democratic donor. 

 

"On March 5, 2019, Bloomberg announced that he will not run for president in 2020, instead encouraging the Democratic Party to "nominate a Democrat who will be in the strongest position to defeat Donald Trump".

 

So we know his newspaper is fair!

Seriously, try double checking things in Reuters.

If it's not in Reuters, didn't happen.

No doubt Reuters is a respected news outlet but not the end all..  

Bloomberg financial news is not a newspaper, it is a respected financial news vehicle (Radio and TV).

If one really wants to know what is going on one listen to financial news.They only have one bias, The bottom line.  If they get the  reputation of a political bias, it is game over for them.

By the way, though Michael Bloomberg was a democrat on 2001 be changed party affiliation and has being a Republican since then.

  It is also significant that anyone who knows trump and is not part of his financial/political  entourage has a very low opinion of trump. Including Kelly Ann Conway's  husband, another prominent  republican, who among other things said. "  TRUMP'S POOR MENTAL HEALTH WOULD GET HIM FIRED FROM ALL OTHER JOBS " https://www.newsweek.com/george-conway-says-trumps-poor-mental-health-would-get-him-fired-all-other-jobs-1442988

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9 hours ago, Ozman52 said:

555, you didn't read the earlier posts did you? NO processing is cheaper than either. Just say NO, put them back on the plane and send them back to wherever they came from.

If the US did the same there would be no pending cases or waiting time.

If you had even a modicum of knowledge you will know Offshore detainment is a great deal more expensive than Onshore. Government cannot "Just say NO, put them back on the plane". Returning detainees against their will requires government to government agreement, with many foreign governments not permitting such activity.

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7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

If you had even a modicum of knowledge you will know Offshore detainment is a great deal more expensive than Onshore. Government cannot "Just say NO, put them back on the plane". Returning detainees against their will requires government to government agreement, with many foreign governments not permitting such activity.

How is that an American problem if they never actually enter the US?

If this deal with Mexico is honoured by Mexico, the numbers entering the US may be severely reduced. 

 

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4 hours ago, sirineou said:

No doubt Reuters is a respected news outlet but not the end all..  

Bloomberg financial news is not a newspaper, it is a respected financial news vehicle (Radio and TV).

If one really wants to know what is going on one listen to financial news.They only have one bias, The bottom line.  If they get the  reputation of a political bias, it is game over for them.

By the way, though Michael Bloomberg was a democrat on 2001 be changed party affiliation and has being a Republican since then.

  It is also significant that anyone who knows trump and is not part of his financial/political  entourage has a very low opinion of trump. Including Kelly Ann Conway's  husband, another prominent  republican, who among other things said. "  TRUMP'S POOR MENTAL HEALTH WOULD GET HIM FIRED FROM ALL OTHER JOBS " https://www.newsweek.com/george-conway-says-trumps-poor-mental-health-would-get-him-fired-all-other-jobs-1442988

 TRUMP'S POOR MENTAL HEALTH WOULD GET HIM FIRED FROM ALL OTHER JOBS

LOL. They should make a constitutional amendment to allow only mentally fit candidates run for president. Only trouble with that would be they might not have any candidates approved as IMO one has to be barking to even think about being president now, with all the media BS that surrounds any president. I'm pretty sure that the reason no great candidates have emerged now is because no sane person that loves his/her family would ever take the poisoned chalice of president in these mad days.

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6 hours ago, sirineou said:

Listening to Bloomberg financial news on the radio yesterday, trump's reaction to the situation was compared to the arsonist taking credit for putting out the fire he started.

According to post 122 Bloomberg wants Trump gone. Do you think that his own media is going to say anything positive about Trump?

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8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How is that an American problem if they never actually enter the US?

If this deal with Mexico is honoured by Mexico, the numbers entering the US may be severely reduced. 

 

By now surely you're aware of international law regards processing of asylum seekers, it's been referenced so many times.

 

Sure mexico is now doing processing of asylum seekers on behalf of the trump admin, but the US is paying for processing detainment & support costs. Just wonder how long Mexico will put up with the situation as for sure members of government and the public will not be pleased with taking on a much wealthier America's responsibilities.

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1 minute ago, simple1 said:

By now surely you're aware of international law regards processing of asylum seekers, it's been referenced so many times.

 

Sure mexico is now doing processing of asylum seekers on behalf of the trump admin, but the US is paying for processing detainment & support costs. Just wonder how long Mexico will put up with the situation as for sure members of government and the public will not be pleased with taking on a much wealthier America's responsibilities.

WHAT! How is Mexico allowing caravans of illegals to pass through Mexico unimpeded ( and perhaps supported ) any responsibility of the US?

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26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

WHAT! How is Mexico allowing caravans of illegals to pass through Mexico unimpeded ( and perhaps supported ) any responsibility of the US?

Usual deflection. How many 'caravans' compared to usual flow of asylum seekers, a lot less in numbers of people. In any case 'caravans' are designed to protect travellers from extortion, physical attacks and so on. Getting back to the main point you raised, under international law a signatory country is obliged to permit entry for processing for all those claiming asylum. At this point the US has enacted domestic law to avoid it's responsibilities, plus of course significantly reducing its intake of positively vetted asylum seekers to 30k p.a. Thereby creating yet more grief for vetted asylum seekers globally and their host countries.

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Mexico should tell Trump that they are doing everything that they can with the infrastructure and finances that they have and if he doesn't like it and thinks that tariffs will cure the problem bring them on! The reaction that he will get from Michigan and Texas plus others would eliminate any chances of him being reelected in 2020 and he wouldn't do it because 2020 is all that he thinks about.

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6 hours ago, sirineou said:

No doubt Reuters is a respected news outlet but not the end all..  

Bloomberg financial news is not a newspaper, it is a respected financial news vehicle (Radio and TV).

If one really wants to know what is going on one listen to financial news.They only have one bias, The bottom line.  If they get the  reputation of a political bias, it is game over for them.

By the way, though Michael Bloomberg was a democrat on 2001 be changed party affiliation and has being a Republican since then.

  It is also significant that anyone who knows trump and is not part of his financial/political  entourage has a very low opinion of trump. Including Kelly Ann Conway's  husband, another prominent  republican, who among other things said. "  TRUMP'S POOR MENTAL HEALTH WOULD GET HIM FIRED FROM ALL OTHER JOBS " https://www.newsweek.com/george-conway-says-trumps-poor-mental-health-would-get-him-fired-all-other-jobs-1442988

So now you quote Kelly Ann Conway's husband as a global news expert. Sigh.

 

It seems that you are un-schooled in that Thompson Reuters is the world's global financial news network, vastly bigger and more respected than Bloomberg's privately owned New York company with frequently politicized editorial content.  Paul Reuter started his first company in 1850 using carrier pigeons and electric telegraphy.  He later founded a news wire agency at the London Royal Exchange initially covering commercial news, serving banks, brokerage houses, and business firms. He was first to report Abraham Lincoln's assassination to Europe.

 

I agree financial news networks are better sources, if they do not step into political goo, which Bloomberg does all the time. Not in Reuter's, didn't happen.

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2 hours ago, simple1 said:

If you had even a modicum of knowledge you will know Offshore detainment is a great deal more expensive than Onshore. Government cannot "Just say NO, put them back on the plane". Returning detainees against their will requires government to government agreement, with many foreign governments not permitting such activity.

Easily overcome. If a country refuses to take back their own citizens being deported, place a ban on visas for all citizens of that country. Iran has such policy; would any western country suffer much if we refused to accept Iranian visitors?

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6 hours ago, sirineou said:

Bloomberg financial news is not a newspaper, it is a respected financial news vehicle (Radio and TV).

If one really wants to know what is going on one listen to financial news.They only have one bias, The bottom line.  If they get the  reputation of a political bias, it is game over for them.

I watched Bloomberg for a few hours yesterday. There was a story on Boris. The photograph Bloomberg used showed Boris cycling past a "Bol#$cks to Brexit" sign. The narrative was that a hard Brexit would cost Britain 8% of its GDP. Totally irresponsible and biased journalism/activism. Most people accept that the port referendum attempts to overturn democracy and never-ending uncertainty caused by the remainers caused more damage than any Brexit could possibly cause.

I do wish that Bloomberg would stick to financial news and tone down the activism. It seems they just can't help themselves.

 

As for the Mexican tariff saga. I remember after Trump announced the sanctions there was an outcry. Tariffs on Mexico are bad etc. Now the threat is over, after Trump won, again there is an outcry. Come now. It can't be bad both ways? Right?

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49 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I watched Bloomberg for a few hours yesterday. There was a story on Boris. The photograph Bloomberg used showed Boris cycling past a "Bol#$cks to Brexit" sign. The narrative was that a hard Brexit would cost Britain 8% of its GDP. Totally irresponsible and biased journalism/activism. Most people accept that the port referendum attempts to overturn democracy and never-ending uncertainty caused by the remainers caused more damage than any Brexit could possibly cause.

I do wish that Bloomberg would stick to financial news and tone down the activism. It seems they just can't help themselves.

 

As for the Mexican tariff saga. I remember after Trump announced the sanctions there was an outcry. Tariffs on Mexico are bad etc. Now the threat is over, after Trump won, again there is an outcry. Come now. It can't be bad both ways? Right?

Did he win. Apparently, the agreements that he touted as wins were already negotiated and agreed to in March. What he didn't win was the consent of Mexico to sign a safe country agreement.

But he did get one big win: an agreement from Mexico to buy more US agricultual products. It was an especially astonishing considering that unlike the Chinese government, the Mexican government doesn't do purchasing agreements for agricultural commodities. Still, I guess a win is a win, even if it's imaginary.

And of course this whole episode is a loss for the USA. The tariffs Trump threatened were clearly in violation of both Nafta, which is currently in effect, and the new proposed agreement. Why would anyone trust the USA under Trump to keep its word about any agreement?

 

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4 hours ago, wayned said:

Mexico should tell Trump that they are doing everything that they can with the infrastructure and finances that they have and if he doesn't like it and thinks that tariffs will cure the problem bring them on! The reaction that he will get from Michigan and Texas plus others would eliminate any chances of him being reelected in 2020 and he wouldn't do it because 2020 is all that he thinks about.

What about after he is re elected? I'm sure that is a factor under their consideration.

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