thaibeachlovers Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 hours ago, bristolboy said: Did he win. Apparently, the agreements that he touted as wins were already negotiated and agreed to in March. What he didn't win was the consent of Mexico to sign a safe country agreement. But he did get one big win: an agreement from Mexico to buy more US agricultual products. It was an especially astonishing considering that unlike the Chinese government, the Mexican government doesn't do purchasing agreements for agricultural commodities. Still, I guess a win is a win, even if it's imaginary. And of course this whole episode is a loss for the USA. The tariffs Trump threatened were clearly in violation of both Nafta, which is currently in effect, and the new proposed agreement. Why would anyone trust the USA under Trump to keep its word about any agreement? Why would anyone trust the USA under Trump to keep its word about any agreement? Perhaps that is part of his strategy to get US companies to return to the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Why would anyone trust the USA under Trump to keep its word about any agreement? Perhaps that is part of his strategy to get US companies to return to the US? And become massively noncompetitive. Right now economists estimate that the tariffs imposed on China will cost the average American household $831 per year. Even more if he imposes tariffs on the rest of imports from China. The cost to the average American should be many times that $831 were those industries transferred to the USA. In fact the only way it would even be possible for those industries to find laborers would be to allow for a massive influx of immigrants. Oops! Edit: There's an error in regards to that $831 figure. Actually it's additional to what the tariffs were already estimated to be costing the average american household. That number was $414 per year. So now the total will climb to $1245 per household per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, bristolboy said: And become massively noncompetitive. Right now economists estimate that the tariffs imposed on China will cost the average American household $831 per year. Even more if he imposes tariffs on the rest of imports from China. The cost to the average American should be many times that $831 were those industries transferred to the USA. In fact the only way it would even be possible for those industries to find laborers would be to allow for a massive influx of immigrants. Oops! Edit: There's an error in regards to that $831 figure. Actually it's additional to what the tariffs were already estimated to be costing the average american household. That number was $414 per year. So now the total will climb to $1245 per household per year. the only way it would even be possible for those industries to find laborers would be to allow for a massive influx of immigrants. Well, a lot of people are calling to allow lots of migrants in, so that should make them happy. What I don't get is that lots of people think buying stuff made by exploited labour in other countries is OK, but they'd be horrified if the same conditions and pay were found in the US. Hypocrites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Actually, Democrats have proposed solutions. For instance increasing aid to guatemala, honduras, and el salvador. Instead the Trump administration slashed it.Yes, pay them to stay there, it’s brilliant!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 6:38 AM, Ozman52 said: That's like saying "The USA is the same as Mexico." Mexico is not saddled with limp-wrist laws giving "rights" to criminals, nor are they as reticent in enforcing the laws they do have when it is to their advantage. This is spot on. If one or two laws change we could pretty much stop most of it overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 9:22 PM, Thakkar said: He has done this so often, causing markets to see-saw that one has to wonder if there were people who knew in advance the exact timing of him announcing one thing, and then the other, and whether they profited from that knowledge? I don't know in advance but anybody with half a brain could simply buy the dips and do well with it. I certainly have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/9/2019 at 2:11 AM, OtinPattaya said: I always love watching Brits, Europeans, and Scandinavians comment on Donald Trump. Especially where entirely domestic American matters are concerned. Because everyone of you non-Americans are magically an expert because you watch the BBC and subscribe to a few Facebook channels. I'd love to see what your own leaders are doing other than capitulating to the very rosy sensation of political good sensation. You don't like Trump's tariffs on China? Great! Why don't the rest of you Brit, Euro, and Scandinavians do something different? Make some news yourselves. You don't like America's policies, why not have some policies of your own, rather than remaining perpetually non-committal? Forget about Mexico. When is the UK, Germany, France, Sweden, going to stand up to China. NEVER! That's when. Unfortunately that leaves America. It's funny to watch them extoll the virtues of socialism and income equality and government transparency. All from the comforts of Thailand where their money goes further, corruption is rife and the poor get the shaft. Easy to have lofty ideals when you live in a foreign country where none of this will be applied to you I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 It's funny to watch them extoll the virtues of socialism and income equality and government transparency. All from the comforts of Thailand where their money goes further, corruption is rife and the poor get the shaft. Easy to have lofty ideals when you live in a foreign country where none of this will be applied to you I guess.As always, it’s the thought that counts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: the only way it would even be possible for those industries to find laborers would be to allow for a massive influx of immigrants. Well, a lot of people are calling to allow lots of migrants in, so that should make them happy. But the question isn't whether or not it should make those people happy but where Trump and his base would stand on such on eventuality. And it seems just barely possible that they might not be entirely pleased with the huge influx of immigrants required to staff such industries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 If the tariffs are so good for the US why doesnt he just impose them full time. I though he was going to be US first kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, bristolboy said: But the question isn't whether or not it should make those people happy but where Trump and his base would stand on such on eventuality. And it seems just barely possible that they might not be entirely pleased with the huge influx of immigrants required to staff such industries. That would depend on how their income is doing. If they also prospered, Trump wins, again. Even if the immigrants don't come to do those jobs, if average Americans become worse off, Trump loses anyway. Like most people in "democracies", voters vote for their own benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, bristolboy said: Supporters of such a sleazy politician as Donald Trump whose policies and appointments favor the rich at the expense of the poor, should feel no qualms at all about living in such nations. True. I loved living as a farang in LOS, but I doubt I'd have loved it as much if I only had the same amount of spending money as an average local. Living on 9,000 baht a month is no fun at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Sujo said: If the tariffs are so good for the US why doesnt he just impose them full time. I though he was going to be US first kind of guy. IMO he has been seduced by the swamp, and is becoming swampy himself. Sad for me. I thought he was better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: IMO he has been seduced by the swamp, and is becoming swampy himself. Sad for me. I thought he was better than that. Eyes starting to open at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: IMO he has been seduced by the swamp, and is becoming swampy himself. Sad for me. I thought he was better than that. He has been hiring "the swamp" since his first day in office. It was a con to begin with. He started to weasel out of his promises on day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 58 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: IMO he has been seduced by the swamp, and is becoming swampy himself. Sad for me. I thought he was better than that. Becoming?? He was born and bred for the swamp. If that's not clear to you after all the bottom dwellers he is and has been associated with then I really don't see how recent events could have finally managed to change your perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Eyes starting to open at last. Even so, million % better than the other candidate, IMO. No regrets, even if he does go swampy, and I did say long ago that the swamp might suck him in and make him one of their own, or words to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, zydeco said: He has been hiring "the swamp" since his first day in office. It was a con to begin with. He started to weasel out of his promises on day one. Oh, like restricting immigration, building a wall, putting conservatives on SCOTUS, building a powerful military. You mean promises like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Oh, like restricting immigration, building a wall, putting conservatives on SCOTUS, building a powerful military. You mean promises like that? Immigration: Highest number of migrants apprehended at the border in decades. Horrible treatment on humanitarian grounds. Complete failure. Wall: Nada. Complete failure. SCOTUS: McConnell is certainly filling the courts with conservatives. Almost nothing to do with Trump. Military: The US military was already the most powerful military in the history of the world before Trump came along. But Trump did get his SECDEF to quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlandtday Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 What's needed is simply apply a tax to all money being sent to Mexico from inside America. There is no economic advantage in having someone illegal in your country possibly using food stamps, medical care, working illegally and then sending disposable income to Mexico where it will stimulate their economy. This whole game is about bringing in illegals and eventually making them voters - anyone with half a brain can see it is blatant vote buying by Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, tlandtday said: What's needed is simply apply a tax to all money being sent to Mexico from inside America. There is no economic advantage in having someone illegal in your country possibly using food stamps, medical care, working illegally and then sending disposable income to Mexico where it will stimulate their economy. This whole game is about bringing in illegals and eventually making them voters - anyone with half a brain can see it is blatant vote buying by Democrats. Or he could just simply prosecute and fine companies that hire the illegals. but his own companies would then be paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 15 hours ago, mogandave said: The SS payroll tax increase What social security payroll tax increase? There was none. Stop making things up. Actually, in response to the Great Recession, the democrats lowered the payroll tax. They wanted to extend that but the Republicans refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 18 hours ago, Berkshire said: Immigration: Highest number of migrants apprehended at the border in decades. Horrible treatment on humanitarian grounds. Complete failure. Wall: Nada. Complete failure. SCOTUS: McConnell is certainly filling the courts with conservatives. Almost nothing to do with Trump. Military: The US military was already the most powerful military in the history of the world before Trump came along. But Trump did get his SECDEF to quit. Yes while Trump has to try and handle it while the dems sit and do nothing hoping he fails so they might get elected. Let's have open borders, lower the voting age to 16 not require federally recognized picture ID, make sure you can't ask about citizenship on the census, and make the popular vote what counts. Who on earth are you people trying to fool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: Yes while Trump has to try and handle it while the dems sit and do nothing hoping he fails so they might get elected. Let's have open borders, lower the voting age to 16 not require federally recognized picture ID, make sure you can't ask about citizenship on the census, and make the popular vote what counts. Who on earth are you people trying to fool? Were did that come from?i keep up on what Donald is up to I haven’t seen or heard anything remotely resembling what you are stating and btw Donald is stonewalling everything that comes out of the house the shoe is definitely on the other foot imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Just now, Tug said: Were did that come from?i keep up on what Donald is up to I haven’t seen or heard anything remotely resembling what you are stating and btw Donald is stonewalling everything that comes out of the house the shoe is definitely on the other foot imo I guess that's how it works in your parallel universe. We can just agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Agreed but blessings to you just the same we shal disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Berkshire Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 38 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: 39 minutes ago, Tug said: Were did that come from?i keep up on what Donald is up to I haven’t seen or heard anything remotely resembling what you are stating and btw Donald is stonewalling everything that comes out of the house the shoe is definitely on the other foot imo I guess that's how it works in your parallel universe. We can just agree to disagree. In this parallel universe that you reside, is Trump always truthful? Is the moon made of cheese? Santa Claus and the Easter bunny real? I'd like to visit some time, hopefully in my next life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: In the parallel universe I live in both parties try to stave off the Chinese. Schumer was out of line saying Trump was bluffing even if he was. You do not go out of your way to undermine the basic economic and financial interests of your own country simply because you are not at ease with the sitting president. Even the Chinese know this. And should you not also not go out of your way to undermine the security of the US by openly siding with its enemies (Russia and North Korea)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, bristolboy said: In the universe where most of us are located, a President should have priorities. If China is the massive threat the President claims it is, he shouldn't be threatening trade wars with potential allies against China. You know even if they are minor economic powers like the EU and Japan. Or have used the dishonest grounds of national security to stop steel imports. Or take actions that break agreements with other nations. As always you are right darling. Are you from the vision of Pittsburgh Biden gives us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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