Bhumjaithai rejects Palang Pracharat’s demand for return of Transport Ministry

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

This 'weak and unstable' coalition that they have put together may fall apart faster than anyone anticipated.

it's falling apart even before they start.... no way this "mumbo jumbo" government can work together, bad weather is coming, thunder starts roaring and it doesn't sound good

[newatthis]

Mr Anutin, don't go blowing your trumpet too much. You're not that important. Get off your high horse.

What you say will mean nothing once Napoleon decides. He'll have you by the short and curlies and you'll be squealing like a pig by the time he has finished with you. You'll relinquish what he tells you to relinquish and you'll eat what he tells you to eat.

With your attitude, the dossier on you will be thicker than a loaf of bread.

Have you learnt nothing from the last 5 years?

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, Eligius said:

Pheua Thai are far from exemplars of virtue and full, untarnished democracy.

But compared to military d   (a word we still cannot utter), they are infinitely to be preferred - and can be booted out by the people (if the people so choose).

THAT is what counts!

 

you could have used penis it's acceptable as being part of the human body

[newatthis]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

it's falling apart even before they start.... no way this "mumbo jumbo" government can work together, bad weather is coming, thunder starts roaring and it doesn't sound good

Hopefully [or not] they'll ban guns in parliament knowing the touchiness of some of these people.

[mfd101]

The incompetence on display during the "election" process has been astonishing. Can't even rig the rules to produce a clearly 'favourable' outcome. Corruption breeds incompetence. Incompetence needs corruption.

 

Still, nothing that a month at Singapore's School of Higher Management couldn't fix. Economical inputs, efficient machinery, effective outputs. That's what endurance requires.

[Artisi]

23 minutes ago, newatthis said:

Hopefully [or not] they'll ban guns in parliament knowing the touchiness of some of these people.

Should encourage it, one way of eliminating vermin.....

[sjaak327]

Mr Anutin, don't go blowing your trumpet too much. You're not that important. Get off your high horse.
What you say will mean nothing once Napoleon decides. He'll have you by the short and curlies and you'll be squealing like a pig by the time he has finished with you. You'll relinquish what he tells you to relinquish and you'll eat what he tells you to eat.
With your attitude, the dossier on you will be thicker than a loaf of bread.
Have you learnt nothing from the last 5 years?

Actually he is, without his 50 something seats, the new governement is lacking a majority in the lower house.

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[otherstuff1957]

25 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Actually he is, without his 50 something seats, the new governement is lacking a majority in the lower house.

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Actually, any party with 6 MPs could change the balance of power and expose Phrayut's regime as being the coerced sham that it is!  Therefor, even the smallest of parties have a disproportionate influence on this government.

[Artisi]

27 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Actually he is, without his 50 something seats, the new governement is lacking a majority in the lower house.

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Let's see if the PM has the balls to dismiss what we are lead to believe was a prior agreement. 

[mfd101]

Negotiating skills: How to give your opponent what he/she wants, at least in appearance [remembering that he/she might mostly be after symbolism], whilst getting the substance that you want.

 

eg YOU can be Deputy Prime Minister and have a lovely office and a you-bute chauffeured car, but I'll make all the decisions, right?

[hotchilli]

I wonder how Prayut will respond having lost the use of article 44?

[DavisH]

6 hours ago, SABloke said:

And the wheels come off before the train's even left the station.

Not to worry, we will be riding on hubs soon:) 

[Brigand]

1 hour ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Actually, any party with 6 MPs could change the balance of power and expose Phrayut's regime as being the coerced sham that it is!  Therefor, even the smallest of parties have a disproportionate influence on this government.

Yes, true. This is why they are trying to do a hatchet job on Thanathorn and FFP as they are the unexpected result that has screwed it up for them. With them gone then their seats could be "reallocated" after more dodgy theatrics ... it's FFP that has ballsed it up for the military fascists.

[TKDfella]

6 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

it will end in street protests

I think you mean '...should end...'. But will it? I have my doubts.

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, DavisH said:

Not to worry, we will be riding on hubs soon:) 

Well Thailand has plenty of hubs, or are you forgetting Thailand is the Hub of hubs. 

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, Brigand said:

Yes, true. This is why they are trying to do a hatchet job on Thanathorn and FFP as they are the unexpected result that has screwed it up for them. With them gone then their seats could be "reallocated" after more dodgy theatrics ... it's FFP that has ballsed it up for the military fascists.

And isn't it a great outcome.... 

[chickenslegs]

My prediction:

Even before he was "elected" PM Prayut insisted that he will have the final say on ALL ministerial appointments.

The Dems and Bhum's will cave in, give him a deep wai, and be grateful for any crumbs thrown to them from the top table.

These people have no principles.

[sjaak327]

3 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Actually, any party with 6 MPs could change the balance of power and expose Phrayut's regime as being the coerced sham that it is!  Therefor, even the smallest of parties have a disproportionate influence on this government.

Yep, but they can still afford to loose 4 little parties, and still have a majority, loosing either the democrats, Bhumjaithai or Chart Pattana means it is game over, this gives those three parties a good bargaining position. Prayuth's party didn't win the election is all that needs to be said here. 

 

To be honest, all three of those parties, should be utterly ashamed, no sane democratic party should vote for a dictator. That is sidelining yourself as a truly democratic party.

[sjaak327]

3 hours ago, Artisi said:

Let's see if the PM has the balls to dismiss what we are lead to believe was a prior agreement. 

He would simply be teethless if he did. If he does have the balls, he will render himself useless. Can't wait for him to fall for it ????

[Brigand]

Never thought I'd say this, but Abhisit is beginning to look like he called it right and gets to look good over all this ... fell on his sword at just the right moment.

[Artisi]

19 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Yep, but they can still afford to loose 4 little parties, and still have a majority, loosing either the democrats, Bhumjaithai or Chart Pattana means it is game over, this gives those three parties a good bargaining position. Prayuth's party didn't win the election is all that needs to be said here. 

 

To be honest, all three of those parties, should be utterly ashamed, no sane democratic party should vote for a dictator. That is sidelining yourself as a truly democratic party.

Democratic party/s, not ever a sniff democracy. 

[ramr]

8 hours ago, pornprong said:

How about you stop yourself and then ask yourself a few simple questions regarding Pheu Thai

 

Have they ever not respected the results of an election?

(they've even accepted the clearly stolen results of the last election)

 

Have they ever re-written a constitution to make it less democratic?

 

Have they ever boycotted an election?

 

Have they ever supported making the Senate appointed instead of elected?

 

Whilst in power, have they ever disbanded an opposition party?

 

Have they ever been found to have cheated in an election by independent international observers?

 

Have they ever banned independent international observers from observing elections?

 

Have they ever altered the seat calculation process AFTER and election?

 

Without democracy, Pheu Thai are nothing, so yes they are democratic.

 

Curious (spurious?) reasoning on the last sentence, but I get your drift. 

Democratic does not equal competent or non-corrupt, however.  PT has a history and some, let's just say, bad habits...as well as potentially useful experience.

I'm merely trying to point out that it's likely in Thailand's best interests if they're held accountable by a FF coalition partner that is seen as an equal and not an inferior.  Hence my comment about peeling votes away in the coming years.

The balance of power in government will shift at some point towards the anti-junta coalition.  Can't say when, but it will--Pandora's box is opened, demographics and technology have seen to that--so FF would be wise to think more than one move ahead.

 

[pornprong]

49 minutes ago, ramr said:

Curious (spurious?) reasoning on the last sentence, but I get your drift. 

Democratic does not equal competent or non-corrupt, however.  PT has a history and some, let's just say, bad habits...as well as potentially useful experience.

I'm merely trying to point out that it's likely in Thailand's best interests if they're held accountable by a FF coalition partner that is seen as an equal and not an inferior.  Hence my comment about peeling votes away in the coming years.

The balance of power in government will shift at some point towards the anti-junta coalition.  Can't say when, but it will--Pandora's box is opened, demographics and technology have seen to that--so FF would be wise to think more than one move ahead.

 

Who doesn't want absolute power?

PT are democratic because it is in their best interest to be, that is all.

 

Undemocratic does not equal competent or non-corrupt.

At least democratic has checks and balances.

 

PT's history pales into insignificance when compared to that of the Thai military and its robbery from the nation over nearly 9 decades of extreme corruption.

 

One of my favourite links:

 

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1993/05/motherjones-mj93-course-corruption/

 

 

[GeorgeCross]

this is absolutely nuts, they couldn't go 24 hours before stabbing their coalition parties in the back. how the hell do they think they can run a government for 4 years?!!

 

running a government and dictating a government are two totally different things

 

gonna go grab some popcorn it's gonna be a hell of a year

 

 

[ramr]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

Who doesn't want absolute power?

PT are democratic because it is in their best interest to be, that is all.

 

Undemocratic does not equal competent or non-corrupt.

At least democratic has checks and balances.

 

PT's history pales into insignificance when compared to that of the Thai military and its robbery from the nation over nearly 9 decades of extreme corruption.

 

One of my favourite links:

 

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1993/05/motherjones-mj93-course-corruption/

 

 

They've had a LOT longer than Pheu Thai to entrench.  And 9 decades of examples to draw on vs. 1 decade is a bit apples and oranges.  

 

But my nitpicking aside, we obviously agree on the corruptibility of any form of government and the need for checks and balances.  

[mfd101]

30 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

it's gonna be a hell of a year

Yes, certainly exciting. Somewhere between fun & depression.

[chama]

12 hours ago, SABloke said:

And the wheels come off before the train's even left the station.

Just as so many in this forum predicted. Now for the fun watching the crash while holding our breaths hoping we don't get hurt too badly.

[Golden Triangle]

It's fun getting out of bed these days, flick on the laptop as I head to the kitchen to make my first cuppa char for the day, click on Thaivisa to see what fun has been occurring overnight, then to get the later update when the This is nearly as much fun as when I found out about boys sticking their things into girls front bottoms  

[bannork]

Now The Democrats have said the same as Bhumjaithai- no return of the Grade A ministries- after all that's why they joined PPRP- to be able to provide the public with some tangible achievements in the respective ministries they requested. Raising the prices of rubber through The Agriculture Ministry, for example.

If they're reduced to Deputy Ministers with PPRP taking the majority of the credit, it just ain't worth joining.

And vice versa, without control of grade A ministries, PPRP will have little to offer the electorate next election. Oh how they must hate these pesky elections!

 

[newatthis]

4 hours ago, ramr said:

Curious (spurious?) reasoning on the last sentence, but I get your drift. 

Democratic does not equal competent or non-corrupt, however.  PT has a history and some, let's just say, bad habits...as well as potentially useful experience.

I'm merely trying to point out that it's likely in Thailand's best interests if they're held accountable by a FF coalition partner that is seen as an equal and not an inferior.  Hence my comment about peeling votes away in the coming years.

The balance of power in government will shift at some point towards the anti-junta coalition.  Can't say when, but it will--Pandora's box is opened, demographics and technology have seen to that--so FF would be wise to think more than one move ahead.

 

Yes because there is still the matter of the loan fiasco involving the FFP. That could see the disbanding of the party.