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Today I went to the Hua Hin tessabahn to inquire about procuring a Yellow Book. I was told that I first must go to the US Embassy and have them make a “certified copy” of my passport. My passport is already a certified document in its own right so all they would have to do is walk over to the copy machine and copy it for a couple of baht. The US Embassy charges 50 USD to do even the simplest task. Then, one is supposed to go to an authorized translator (another rip off) translate my passport then go to the Foreign Ministry for some sort of approval with their stamp. All of this must be done in, of course, Bangkok. Does anyone know a simpler more sane way to accomplish this task in our own town without going through all of this nonsense? I would appreciate any advice on this subject.

 

 

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It seems in many places this is becoming a problem. They seem to be making it difficult for no other reason than making it difficult. I did mine 3 years ago all they wanted was a translation of my passport, but it now the same place is now asking for the same as you are being asked for. 

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Pardon my ignorance, but why bother? What use is the yellow book once you've got it?

 

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5 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Unfortunately the Civilian Registration Act doesn't suggest what documents are acceptable to the Thai authorities in order to register. The requirement are local and set by the Amphoe's administration.

 

A copy of Passport translated to Thai is quite common.

Your basically being asked to have the copy of your passport 'certified' as an authentic copy of the original by your Embassy, then translated, then the translation and copy 'legalised' by the MFA.

This is actually the correct procedure to legalise foreign documents for acceptance in Thailand.

Foreign decrees and marriage certificates are subject to the same requirements.

 

The names of your parents are also requested and entered in the book.

I've heard of a couple of Amphoe's who also requested the same procedure to be followed for their birth certificates (translation of parents names).

 

Those Amphoe's who state you must be married, or a house owner are making up the law themselves as there is no such requirement in law.

Agree entirely about the act not stating what is required for registration.

 

A couple of years ago my wife phoned BORA (Bureau Of Registration Administration) office in Bangkok who oversee the Amphurs in this, and told my wife to take the following documents:

 

House registration document of the house owner. Copy & original

Identification card of the house owner. Copy & original

Thai translation of passport details page certified by an approved translator. Copy & original (include both parent’s full names)

 

Again, agreed about the offices stating you must be married, or a house owner are making up the law themselves as there is no such requirement in law.

 

In fact the amphurs are not allowed to refuse a request as it is a requirement under the amended Thai Civil Registration Act 2551 [2008] Section 21.

 

We took printed a copy of the act with us, as well as the phone number of BORA and The Office of the Ombudsman, on the top of the clear plastic folder we had, making sure the staff saw the details.

After talking to the head of house registration at our amphur, she admitted we didn't need to be married (which at the time we weren't) and processed the yellow housebook application.

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OP, they are asking for a translation of passport etc to get an official translation of your name into Thai. Your name in Thai (official translation) is part of the yellow book process. In theory you could give them an MFA translation of your gym membership card, so long as it contains your name into Thai and certified..

 

A passport is probably the worst document to have translated as the MFA wants it certified as genuine before the will certify a translation.

 

If you are married, your marriage documents already include an MFA certified translation of your name (and your parents names) that would meet the requirements.

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5 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

In fact the amphurs are not allowed to refuse a request as it is a requirement under the amended Thai Civil Registration Act 2551 [2008] Section 21.

Agree there not ….. but some come up with requirements such as must be married, or house owner.

You then have to go above their head to Provincial Administration, which many can't be bothered with the hassle, so give up.

 

Like you I had no problem obtaining a Yellow book. It used to be so simple at many Amphoe's before, but foreigners have spoiled it again with false documents, especially educational decree certificates.

The Thai government are now enforcing legalisation of foreign documents.

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Today I went to the Hua Hin tessabahn to inquire about procuring a Yellow Book. I was told that I first must go to the US Embassy and have them make a “certified copy” of my passport. My passport is already a certified document in its own right so all they would have to do is walk over to the copy machine and copy it for a couple of baht. The US Embassy charges 50 USD to do even the simplest task. Then, one is supposed to go to an authorized translator (another rip off) translate my passport then go to the Foreign Ministry for some sort of approval with their stamp. All of this must be done in, of course, Bangkok. Does anyone know a simpler more sane way to accomplish this task in our own town without going through all of this nonsense? I would appreciate any advice on this subject.
 
 
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I am British and have just done it all,stupid as they are its Thailands rules we have to live with it.

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2 hours ago, bluesofa said:

It was them who told my wife the amphur was not allowed to refuse an application, giving her the Ombudsman's phone number, and also the phone number of a free public lawyer. Over the phone the lawyer said the same to my wife regarding refusing to process an application not being an option.

In contrast to your experience, I knew I needed the co-operation of my landlord and a translation of my passport, which I translated myself (needed help with my name).

The landlord and myself turned up at 9.30am, Passport, translation, copy of landlords house book and ID card. The landlord sign a form allowing permission to register at her address, then to another desk for fingerprint and photo. Yellow book and ID card issued at 10am.

 

If only it were that simple for everyone.  :thumbsup:

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